hozz1235 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 When Frontier cooking first was announced, I was REALLY excited about it. I still really like the concept, but, for my playstyle, it isn't really practical. Let me try to explain: The main reason for eating is for calories and to prevent starvation. I could cook a piece of meat, which is easily obtained from a variety of sources wherever I happen to be or gather numerous ingredients (which may not be readily available which forces me to carry them) to cook a complex meal. Given that choice, I'm going to opt for the quick, guaranteed meal. Yes, the complex recipes do have some temporary "buffs", but for the time and effort needed, it really isn't worth it to me. I think expanding on recipes to include more that combine items that were pre-existing in the game would provide a little more incentive for me. I've read numerous posts where players get pretty creative with their combinations, and sound delicious! Just off the cuff here, such recipes as: Salmon with sautéed Reishi Mushrooms or shredded Ptarmigan with Pork and Beans. I believe there needs to incentive for our survivalists to cook these recipes, otherwise we're right back to frying up a piece of bear meat on our campfire rock. I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts and their own experiences. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PilgrimReaper Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Hmm it's not just about the temporary buff, it's also the fact that you can get an insane amount of calories for very little carry weight. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hozz1235 Posted July 19, 2023 Author Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, PilgrimReaper said: Hmm it's not just about the temporary buff, it's also the fact that you can get an insane amount of calories for very little carry weight. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semple Fi Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I think this feature is also for the long game, main base style players; with the buffs added to give some appeal to the traveling survivor players. One of the things I think I also noticed (I’ll need to verify) is that you gain more experience points per completed frontier meal than from just frying a piece of meat. i.e. make it to level 5 cooking faster. and additionally, the unnumbered benefit will prove VERY useful for moving large caches from one base or location to another. @hozz1235 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_ Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, PilgrimReaper said: Hmm it's not just about the temporary buff, it's also the fact that you can get an insane amount of calories for very little carry weight. Yep, greatest appeal to me. A large calorie cache that is very light and can be carried in replacement to cattails. Stalker's Pie looks ridiculously good, and once they fix the calorie percentage bonus issues it is going to be even more overpowered. 1600 calories for 0.20 kg and some of the ingredients creep to you when you carry it, can't beat it. The carry weight debuff is not even bad, you just eat before sleeping. Edited July 19, 2023 by Dan_ Grammar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoFatCatz Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 @Dan_ Couldn’t agree more. I’ve said in another thread that the Stalkers pie in my opinion is the best recipe if you arnt talking buffs (I like the simple pies for the extra carry weight and no negative effects as well as the fish cakes for the exact same reason) Easy to make, great calories and you are right the meat just walks right up to you 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTC-10 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Pretty much what I was thinking when I was going over the list of recipes for Pot and Skillet and thought why carry either? I would be fine, as noted in my posting, with meat and water in a pot, simmered until tender, to make a very basic stew or soup. It might be enough to get me to carry a pot or skillet routinely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hozz1235 Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 If you think about it, they weigh disproportionately little compared to the ingredients that go into them. Take for example Ranger Stew. The finished product weighs 0.35kg but just the weight of the water that goes into the broth is 0.75kg, not to mention the 1kg of meat, potato & carrots! I know stews cook down somewhat, but not that much! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_ Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Yeah, that is a very good point but I don't think for a minute that is something HL overlooked. I do feel like the weight is the main draw to cook the recipes, otherwise you're just using extra resources in the form of prep time and fire, and finite ingredients to extend calories from renewable ingredients ( meat and fish, chiefly ), which makes little sense from a survival perspective. We also cook kilogram steaks for 48 minutes and get a kilogram of cooked meat in return which also makes no sense physics wise, given steak loses roughly a quarter of it's weight after cooking. Yes, a lot less egregious than the stews I'll concur, but the same quantum cooking is happening there. Flipside should be that you lose calories from a steak when cooking, specially on the campfire rocks where you'll lose fat from your steaks, and preserve most of the original calories when eating stews, as you should do. They just went with the adapting to the status quo of TLD grilling, which is fair in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conanjaguar Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 9:28 AM, hozz1235 said: I know stews cook down somewhat, but not that much! Freeze-dried stew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTC-10 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I am now carrying a skillet around with me. I found that making one liter of water (the max) in a skillet took about the same amount of time as cooking one kg of venison with no juggling recycled cans in the process. That kind of seems more "efficient" and it meant I had more time to walk away to do something else. I'd still like to see basic thick soup or thin stew recipes that could take any fish or meat, some water, nominally some other ingredients (we'll just imagine we cut up and tossed in onions, and such) and give us a hot meal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaPepster Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 I think Frontier Cooking is the best update to TFTFT so far! Foods that create temporary buffs, creativity of ingredients and dishes, 9 unique recipes (I'm seriously wanting to make the Camber Flight Porridge IRL, it looks amazing~), dishes that create LOTS of calories with simple ingredients, dishes that are light weight to carry... this is a great system. It is mostly mid- to late-game, especially for the more complex and unique recipes, but still worth pursuing and experimenting with. This also has the potential to making the food requirement in the Whiteout challenge easier to achieve as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Thank you for your ongoing feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrak Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 On 7/19/2023 at 10:00 AM, PilgrimReaper said: Hmm it's not just about the temporary buff, it's also the fact that you can get an insane amount of calories for very little carry weight. I find that the new cooking system makes me want to craft specific items, but the food bonuses themselves aren't really the incentive for me. Like Pilgrim mentioned, the calorie to weight combo is the big selling point. Now, instead of always just carrying 4 moose steaks, I can carry a bunch of pancakes, bannock, or something along that line and still be under the 4 kg carry weight of the meat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTC-10 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 I have been watching a youtube channel Life-Outside by presumably a Russian woodsman and have seen him thinly slice meat into a pan and put that on a stove top and have that for dinner (he had bread too and he had a pot of hot water to make what I take to be a tea or coffee drink). I also watched as he cleaned fish he caught, put them into a pot with water, tossed in some greens, probably onions and garlic (I am no cook) set that on the stove top (wood fired) and then sit down later for a dinner. That's what prompted me to think that we could have used a very basic recipe for any meat/fish and water into a pot to cook to a thin stew or thick soup. We have no way to make a hot meal from ingredients we gather naturally. I also saw him have three critical failures to light wood matches before he got a fire going. 😲 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hozz1235 Posted July 27, 2023 Author Share Posted July 27, 2023 11 hours ago, UTC-10 said: I also watched as he cleaned fish he caught, put them into a pot with water, tossed in some greens, probably onions and garlic (I am no cook) set that on the stove top (wood fired) and then sit down later for a dinner. That's what prompted me to think that we could have used a very basic recipe for any meat/fish and water into a pot to cook to a thin stew or thick soup. We have no way to make a hot meal from ingredients we gather naturally. That's what I was saying too! I don't mind the more complex recipes, but I'd like to see some simpler ones with pre-existing ingredients. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conanjaguar Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Like @ajb1978 said on another thread… most of the buffs/debuffs for cooked food seem rather arbitrary. Like, I get a headache from the 2.75 rose hips in a single pie, and not from the 24 rose hips I made tea with?! Methinks these buffs and debuffs should be evened out across the board. I think that certain foods should buff certain skills, rather than needs. For example, coastal fish cakes and fish stew could give a temporary buff to fishing. Stalker’s Pie might increase your weapons skills, and so forth. Yes, I stole that from Stardew Valley, and it seems rather cheesy. Maybe certain dishes should stick to your ribs, allowing you to eat and store more calories than you otherwise would? This could be shown by a second circle on the UI, light blue like the others of it’s kind, overlaid on top of the hunger meter, and that will begin to fill when the hunger meter is full? Perhaps to a max of 25%? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb1978 Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Or provide lesser stackable buffs, that last a much longer time. Like a 1kg carry buff that lasts for a full 24-hour day, and can stack up to 5 times for a total of 5kg. And as long as you eat at least one of those things in a day, you keep the full buff. Going a day without causes you to lose 1kg per day until you're back to your baseline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeanda Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 I've only just tried it properly.... I'm curious why I could use a ruined potato but not ruined rabbit meat.. but overall I like it... Except the headaches... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicManiac Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 (edited) I've not had much opportunity to try out the new items... but from what I've gathered about it, I really don't think I like that these new food items come with buffs and debuffs. Edited August 10, 2023 by ManicManiac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeanda Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, James Hickok said: I havent cooked a single thing yet although i gathered all ingredients from the entire map (i double checked xD) and all recipes ( i got the prepper pie y-day in the last bunker i went to - Blackrock xD) and i was thinking if you can use ruined ingredients to cook? Also if you can reheat a broth or other dish. I don't know about the broth but I was given the option to put the stews I'd already made back into the skillet so at least they seem reheatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PilgrimReaper Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 23 minutes ago, James Hickok said: I havent cooked a single thing yet although i gathered all ingredients from the entire map (i double checked xD) and all recipes ( i got the prepper pie y-day in the last bunker i went to - Blackrock xD) and i was thinking if you can use ruined ingredients to cook? Also if you can reheat a broth or other dish. Just curious, but... why wouldn't you try it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeanda Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 45 minutes ago, James Hickok said: OKay thats good to know but can you cook from ruined ingredients ? I'm not really sure...as I said earlier,I could use a ruined potato but not ruined bunny meat.. either could've been a bug though.. On a side note...if you eat anything in tiny portions you can avoid the side effects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Theory Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 I do wish that wolf and bear recipes existed, although maybe they do and I just didn’t come across them yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeanda Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said: I do wish that wolf and bear recipes existed, although maybe they do and I just didn’t come across them yet. There is one that uses both.. but I won't say which or where it is.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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