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Forgot about fishing, cattails on the other hand I never considered due to their low calorie count, they are great in a pinch but for long term survival not so much. Fishing on the other hand is viable.

If the bow was removed from interloper then you would eventually starve as once you have looted all the manufactured food the only option left is to hunt, you already can't get the rifle or revolver in interloper leaving just the bow remove that and your only hope for food is to scare a Deere towards a wolf no bow means you can't shoot the wolf to get it off the Deere and it's interloper so it's not easy to scare off a wolf so you'll have to wait for the wolf to leave and scavenge what was left, not ideal for long term survival.

It is definitely a strange system if you think about it that is one reason why I've been trying to learn metric that and the fact 90% of the world uses metric. Canada uses both? Hmm didn't know that. That makes me wonder why a system like I suggested isn't already in the game, there's other games that allows the user to use both units simultaneously so the concept isn't new by any means. Here in the US we actually use both gallons and liters for example if you buy a jug of milk it says gallons on the bottle yet if you buy a soda (unless it's a can or a 20 FL OZ bottle) it's in liters. it makes little sense why we use both but luckily due to us using both it does mean I understand both liters and gallons pretty well.

True it may not but it also wouldn't effect you as you can leave it as it is now

Yes but my issue is quick glances if I'm checking temps or weight I generally like to just do a quick glance and if you have a poor memory and think you're reading pounds instead of kilograms then that can make your run much more difficult and might even get you in trouble. That's why I suggested this it would be more of a quality of life thing for the ones who use both.

True kilograms is a much more thought out unit it's I just haven't learned it yet which makes it hard for me to really understand. It doesn't really make any difference like others said the temperature and weight is pretty self-explanatory but for me some times I get them mixed up at a glance and end up keeping way more junk on me than I should be carrying making my loot runs a bit tedious as I end up having to backtrack to drop off gear as I misjudged my weight. I don't have a good memory so I don't always remember that weight is metric also. I've played others games before that has a hybrid system set like suggestion 1 and I thought that itwould be a small quality of life thing for the long dark. What I really need to do is just stop being lazy and learn how to read kilograms 😂

This is an issue with the game currently is the longer you play the more familiar you'll become to a point where eventually you'll learn where everything can spawn making the game pretty easy. When you first start off you don't know where anything is so survival can be a proper challenge but after some time you will learn where the rifle can spawn, you would know where to find deer, you'll know where wolves patrol, etc. I would love a randomly generated map but with hinterlands small team I don't think it's feasible. Instead of a random generated world a randomly generated loot table could be just as good but more feasible. That way the items can spawn anywhere and have no specific spawn areas, wildlife can be anywhere, wolf patrols could very, etc. This would make each run feel more or less completely new only familiarity would be the map itself.

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How did you know I'm watching star trek right now haha 😂

If by outside forces you mean intelligent life from another world then no I don't believe we had help from that (I do believe that life exists outside Earth I just don't believe any had visited Earth) our understanding of the world improves as time goes on this allows for the development of new technology. A vacuum tube is really just a bulky transistor and if you want to be technical modern day transistors aren't all that different from a vacuum tube they're just a bit more smaller. Not to mention that a vacuum tube will probably survive a EMP unlike a modern transistor so if what you said is true and we did get help from an outside source why didn't they give us something that could withstand such an event? Surely they have a means to protect small components if they can get to us? Anyway lets not get too off topic here.

As others have mentioned hinterland has said before multiplayer won't happen in the long dark it's just too complicated to add it with how the game is currently built, however they did say that they would consider it in a future game so TLD2 could have multiplayer. nothing has been confirmed though so take that with a grain of salt

I would love to see these have a story maybe hinterland could add their own story and if a backer creates their own then they could replace the ones hinterland made basically like a placeholder that way they at least say something other than "it's story is not yet written"

True we are really in the blind on what's really going on in the game. Yet, I still have a bit of a habit to speculate on things that's probably best left unanswered. Since I speculate, I take events within the game and build upon them. We know the source was a Geomagnetic Storm as when starting a survival run it mentions this, and a Geomagnetic Storm is known to cause disturbances in power both stopping and causing it. It seems, even though we may not know why the effects are lingering, the majority of the reason behind the cause has an explanation, that explanation being a Geomagnetic Storm. though it could be that this Geomagnetic Storm wasn't caused by the sun so maybe this is what wintermute is? If we all remember (and spoilers for if you haven't played)... The trapper in episode 2 tells Will to give someone a message which was "Wintermute" . We can speculate that the trapper is military considering the military radio he had. Maybe wintermute was an experimental device and something went wrong causing this Geomagnetic Storm?

You got a point there forgot about the elevator that is powered in wintermute actually there was 2 one in the dam as well as the mine. Edit- so I guess this means even though The phenomenon in the long dark is based on a few true aspects it, like all games, isn't 100% true to life which I did expect still I'm going to keep my pole reversal explanation until we (hopefully) learn what's going on in wintermute.

"Built their house from microchips" haha 😂😂

It definitely wouldn't be good the problem nowadays is we are so dependent on technology that such an event could bring an end to civilization as we know it, it would more or less be an apocalypse of a sort.

True we won't really know how long they can last till it happens. Imagine the confusion though if this reversal occurred especially since we named geographic north an south, geographic north would be magnetic south I'm sure that wouldn't confuse some poor lost soul 😂

True some big ones occur all the time it just has to be facing at us to cause harm though even if a CME is earth facing that doesn't mean it going to cause a Geomagnetic Storm, CME's can vary in power. The Earth magnetic field is weaker forgot about that so you're right it doesn't have to be as strong as the one in 1859. The magnetic field naturally gets weaker as we close in on another pole reversal the closer we get to this reversal the weaker the magnetic field will be eventually there will be more than 1 north and south at this stage the field will be at it's weakest point which is my belief that the long dark is in this stage. For those interested here is the location of the magnetic poles currently and the future position if them, you can view this map here https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/historical_declination/

I by no means cracked it I just got curious one day and decided to research into Geomagnetic Storms and it brought me to an article talking about the massive one in 1859 from there I got more curious and did more reading. Shortly after I read up on the events in 1859 I connected it with the long dark and how the phenomenon in the game isn't science fiction after all (I knew the Geomagnetic Storm wasn't but used to think the Aurora causing things to electrify was nothing more than Sci-fi to spice the game up a bit)

Is 3 seconds really that long? I feel there is more useful feats currently that I wouldn't sacrifice for a 1.5s decrease in searching.

To me it seems like it is. Geomagnetic storms disrupts power when they occur but after they end physics are still physics, that means anything that could produce power would. The trucks and tractors look fairly dated so they probably don't have any sensitive components (I.E computers) that would be permanently fried so in theory if the Geomagnetic Storm stopped you should be able to easily start those vehicles but if it's is constant attempting to start them would fry the spark plugs and starter. Also the flashlight it's battery is charged during the Aurora if you let it charge and don't use it during the Aurora the battery should still have a charge after the Aurora ends but it doesn't which again supports that the Geomagnetic Storm is constant allowing electronics to be disrupted outside the Aurora. If it's was constant then yes it would cause adverse health effects due to the increase in radiation. Like I said before this has already occurred before in real life and caused no adverse health effects though as I mentioned before it wasn't constant irl The effects from a geomagnetic storm can last days or weeks but no matter what they eventually end the long dark appears to be constant as you can get this Auroral Current occuring many times in a single run. Unless if what I mentioned before and a pole reversal did occur causing normal auroras to power electronics as a result to the weakened magnetic field, this pole reversal would mean that the Geomagnetic Storm that disrupted electricity could have been fairly small and wouldn't have normally caused any damages but the pole reversal made it more severe. The Geomagnetic Storm could be long over and the Auroral Current is caused by regular Auroras that are normally experienced at the poles, if that is the case then the increase in radiation exposure would be no different then what people experience living near areas where Auroras are common. The weakened magnetic field due to the pole reversal would also mean that any CME (which occurs all the time just majority of CMEs aren't strong enough to do anything) would be strong enough to disrupt electricity.

So I'm making this thread to discuss the lore in the long dark particularly the Geomagnetic Storm. I'm a bit of a science nerd and love the phenomenon going on in the game and I've had plenty of my friends ask why there isn't any power in the long dark and why it returns (sorta) during an Aurora. So this is an attempt to explain it as well as discussing why this storm never ends. One of my favorite things about the Long Dark is the phenomenon going on isn't so far fetched in fact it has already happened before in real life. As we all know the phenomenon in question is a geomagnetic storm, this storm was so powerful it has completely disrupted all electronics, this same thing can occur and has occurred in real life. This event occurred on September 2, 1859 it was a massive coronal mass ejection(CME) that caused an Aurora on Earth that could be seen 23° from the Geomagnetic equator in both the northern and southern hemispheres, you could see this Aurora in South-Central Mexico. Now 1859 didn't have much going on for electricity but the telegram existed. During the storm a magnetic current surged through the telegram poles causing them to short out, telegram offices around the world had to disconnect their telegraph in order to save them yet they still worked, even after they disconnected them you could still send or receive a telegram on nothing but the air itself this phenomenon came to be known as "Auroral Current" For the ones who don't know Earth is protected by an electromagnetic field. This field acts like a shield from the billions of charged particles from the sun, these particles warp the magnetic field and if enough of them hits the field they can actually warp it enough to get through this is called a geomagnetic storm if this storm occurs then it means that enough of these charged particles got through the magnetic field to touch the atmosphere. If this occurs the particles react with air molecules, ionizing them which allows them to produce photons (Light) this is what we know as an Aurora. (Normally auroras only occur at the poles; the rest of the world is protected by the magnetic field) These storms have a variety of strengths. We actually had a Geomagnetic Storm this month but it wasn't that strong. Now if a Geomagnetic Storm occurred like it did in 1859 today, it would be catastrophic. back in 1859 electricity wasn't that widespread so it wasn't that severe but today a Geomagnetic Storm that big would completely knock out the electrical grid. Power won't come back to the extent of The Long Dark, computers, phones, TV ect won't work as they have sensitive components that would probably be completely fried but simple electronics like lights could still work powered by this Auroral Current now the only thing that is different is unlike in the long dark this wouldn't last too long eventually the Geomagnetic Storm will stop meaning power will just be gone all across the world no Auroral Current to power simple electronics. As for going back to life as we know it well that wouldn't be simple, It would take years to repair the damages. The internet would more in likely be gone as every server around the world would be fried, communication would be shot as all satellites are ruined, most modern vehicles wouldn't work due to sensitive electronics within them would be fried, the list goes on, it would be disastrous for a geomagnetic storm of that magnitude to happen today. Though the good news, it isn't common to get such massive geomagnetic storms the last one that big was 1859 that was about 162 years ago, we get small ones occasionally but at most that just causes small blackouts or communication interference which can be repaired shortly after the event so no worry there. Anyway, the point of this thread is for a discussion like I said previously, in real life a Geomagnetic Storm strong enough to cause a similar phenomenon to occur as it did in the long dark wouldn't last that long. The one in 1859 lasted only 2 days, it started September 1st and lasted till September 2nd, the question here is why is the storm lasting so long in the long dark. This thread is purely for speculation as it's a game that doesn't need explanations but like I said I'm a science nerd who is fascinated with the long darks phenomenon purely because it is pretty accurate to what would occur in real life minus a few things. My speculation is a pole reversal occurred during the storm. For those who don't know or are interested a pole reversal is a period where North becomes south and South becomes north, basically the Magnetic North pole would end up in Antarctica. During this period of change the magnetic field is weaker than it normally is. Maybe the geomagnetic storm in the long dark occurred right on a pole reversal so that means normally weak Geomagnetic Storms can act as if they are strong. If we had a pole reversal during the Geomagnetic Storm that occurred this month then it more in likely would've been on the scale of the one that occurred in 1859 (obviously worse now that electricity is more widespread than it was back then) I would love to hear some other thoughts on why the Geomagnetic Storm seems constant in the long dark.

There's definitely a variety of reasons why, one of my friend who plays this game unfortunately has to play custom he has a condition and can't react to wolves very well so he plays custom with passive wildlife but he doesn't want the game to be easy so he cranks up the weather and lowers the loot to making it as hard as possible without predators. He wants the feats but they are definitely a grind for him as he always died if attacked by a wolf and he doesn't enjoy the easy gameplay of pilgrim and voyager so even though wolf attacks are relatively rare on pilgrim and voyager he doesn't like how easy those modes are.

Hmm I always assumed that was purely for balance and nothing more as like I said before car headlights and radios work even after your removed the battery.

I said the same thing but the OP had in mind that buildings would degrade overtime making them colder the repairing aspect would be to make the building warm again