save a wolf and it becomes your best friend

[Axtos]

And how is it to make "peace" with Wolfes in your neighborhood? Like the Wolfes around the gas station or the lighthouse? Share a few meat whit your new neighbors and they will not kill you on sight if you do not come to close. Wolfes are smart and if you give feed from time to time.. 

Just my 2 copper.. 

[vancopower]

The only way to domesticate wolf is to care for it when it is still a pup until it grows. It will form strong bond with you and yes it will help you. This is not something that I read on wiki I have a friend that does that. He finds wounded pups in the wilderness and raises them and sets them free. Many of them don't want to go, I know that it sound like some movie but it is the truth. Canine species are loyal it is in their genes. Maybe that could be one of the achievements or even challenges in TLD  raise a pup and it will help you keep the other wolves at bay in order for you to cross some path and enter new region maybe???

[Wasteland Watcher]

I'm completely against taming wolves in this game and previous posters have phrased the reasons why better than I ever could.

Kudos to them by the way!!

If for whatever reason a domesticated dog or pet of any kind was added,  they should have all the biological need requirements the player character does

And if those needs are not met they fade into The Long Dark. 

 

[Wastelander]

1 minute ago, Wasteland Watcher said:

I'm completely against taming wolves in this game and previous posters have phrased the reasons why better than I ever could.

Kudos to them by the way!!

If for whatever reason a domesticated dog or pet of any kind was added,  they should have all the biological need requirements the player character does

And if those needs are not met they fade into The Long Dark. 

 

That about sums it up. +1.

[Scyzara]

10 hours ago, vancopower said:

The only way to domesticate wolf is to care for it when it is still a pup until it grows. It will form strong bond with you and yes it will help you. This is not something that I read on wiki I have a friend that does that. He finds wounded pups in the wilderness and raises them and sets them free. Many of them don't want to go, I know that it sound like some movie but it is the truth.

What you're describing here has nothing to do with the process of domestication. Domestication is a process that takes thousands of years and requires several hundreds of generations of conscious breeding to change the physical and behavioral traits of a species. The goal of domestication is to adapt a species' traits to human needs, e.g. by making the species less shy (sheep/goats/caribou/etc.), less aggressive (dogs/elephants/water buffalos) or more productive (wheat/apples/cows/pigs/chicken/etc.)

During the process of domestication, dogs e.g. gained the ability to interpret human mimics, gestures and (to some extent) language. If you point your finger towards an object, dogs usually understand that you expect them to inspect (or fetch) said object. Do the same with a wolf and it doesn't understand the gesture at all. Not because it's less intelligent than a dog per se, but because it just can't interpret human gesture equally well.

Even more importantly, modern dogs are pretty obedient and willing to please their owners. More than ten thousand years ago, the first primordial dog breeds had already diverged from the wild wolf populations. And individuals from these primordial dog breeds were selected and chosen for breeding i.e. because of character traits like docility and obedience. As a result, the reward system in a modern dog's brain becomes activated upon fullfilling tasks and getting praised by its owner, hence modern dogs are relatively easy to train by non-specialists.

Training a wolf is way more difficult - not only because the wolf doesn't understand you as well as a dog, but more importantly because it doesn't want to please you. It's brain just doesn't reward it for being obedient. Wolves are similar to cats in this regard, they don't care much what you think about them and don't long for praise. That's why only the most dedicated wolf specialists manage to train a wolf to fulfill some kind of (very easy) order like e.g. to sit down.

 

What you're describing above is not domestication, but imprinting. Wolves (or lions, elephants, geese or whatever else mammal or bird) raised by a human will consider said person to be their parent, follow them around and be somehow loyal to them even as an adult. Some animals may even favor the company of humans over the company of their own kind. It's a behavior well-researched and especially problematic e.g. in human-imprinted parrots who are known to often attack their owner's spouse.

Imprinting an animal to humans is generally nothing positive and should be avoided at all costs because it's likely to cause severe problems, either for the animal itself or for other humans. In case of the mis-imprinted parrots mentioned above (who reject a parrot partner if you try to offer them one), these are known to suffer greatly from the lack of an appropriate partner for social interaction. They show symptoms of depression, pluck out their breast feathers and often die decades earlier than parrots with a companion.

In case of mis-imprinted predators, things can even get dangerous. Most predators raised by a human lack their natural shyness towards humans in general which can easily lead to extremely dangerous encounters with other people. 

Where I live, such human-imprinted animals (e.g. former circus bears or elephants) are classified as "individuals with behavioral disorders". They're absolutely forbidden to be ever set free and would either be caught or shot if they were found in the wild.

So you should honestly tell your friend to immediately stop raising wolf pups and setting them free. It's nothing but irresponsible to do so. He should better bring the pubs to a specialist who manages to raise them without misimprinting. Or, if that's not possible, he at least needs to make sure that the adult wolves are brought to some kind of wildlife park where they can't harm anyone.

 

TL, DR:

Even if you raise a wolf pup, it will never follow your orders like a dog. 

[Axtos]

2 hours ago, Scyzara said:

What you're describing here has nothing to do with the process of domestication. Domestication is a process that takes thousands of years and requires several hundreds of generations of conscious breeding to change the physical and behavioral traits of a species. The goal of domestication is to adapt a species' traits to human needs, e.g. by making the species less shy (sheep/goats/caribou/etc.), less aggressive (dogs/elephants/water buffalos) or more productive (wheat/apples/cows/pigs/chicken/etc.)

During the process of domestication, dogs e.g. gained the ability to interpret human mimics, gestures and (to some extent) language. If you point your finger towards an object, dogs usually understand that you expect them to inspect (or fetch) said object. Do the same with a wolf and it doesn't understand the gesture at all. Not because it's less intelligent than a dog per se, but because it just can't interpret human gesture equally well.

Even more importantly, modern dogs are pretty obedient and willing to please their owners. More than ten thousand years ago, the first primordial dog breeds had already diverged from the wild wolf populations. And individuals from these primordial dog breeds were selected and chosen for breeding i.e. because of character traits like docility and obedience. As a result, the reward system in a modern dog's brain becomes activated upon fullfilling tasks and getting praised by its owner, hence modern dogs are relatively easy to train by non-specialists.

Training a wolf is way more difficult - not only because the wolf doesn't understand you as well as a dog, but more importantly because it doesn't want to please you. It's brain just doesn't reward it for being obedient. Wolves are similar to cats in this regard, they don't care much what you think about them and don't long for praise. That's why only the most dedicated wolf specialists manage to train a wolf to fulfill some kind of (very easy) order like e.g. to sit down.

 

What you're describing above is not domestication, but imprinting. Wolves (or lions, elephants, geese or whatever else mammal or bird) raised by a human will consider said person to be their parent, follow them around and be somehow loyal to them even as an adult. Some animals may even favor the company of humans over the company of their own kind. It's a behavior well-researched and especially problematic e.g. in human-imprinted parrots who are known to often attack their owner's spouse.

Imprinting an animal to humans is generally nothing positive and should be avoided at all costs because it's likely to cause severe problems, either for the animal itself or for other humans. In case of the mis-imprinted parrots mentioned above (who reject a parrot partner if you try to offer them one), these are known to suffer greatly from the lack of an appropriate partner for social interaction. They show symptoms of depression, pluck out their breast feathers and often die decades earlier than parrots with a companion.

In case of mis-imprinted predators, things can even get dangerous. Most predators raised by a human lack their natural shyness towards humans in general which can easily lead to extremely dangerous encounters with other people. 

Where I live, such human-imprinted animals (e.g. former circus bears or elephants) are classified as "individuals with behavioral disorders". They're absolutely forbidden to be ever set free and would either be caught or shot if they were found in the wild.

So you should honestly tell your friend to immediately stop raising wolf pups and setting them free. It's nothing but irresponsible to do so. He should better bring the pubs to a specialist who manages to raise them without misimprinting. Or, if that's not possible, he at least needs to make sure that the adult wolves are brought to some kind of wildlife park where they can't harm anyone.

 

TL, DR:

Even if you raise a wolf pup, it will never follow your orders like a dog. 

Wow...  +1 for such a long Text. :-)

[knightjoke]

+1 for you for giving 1+ for the long text  haha

[hauteecolerider]

@Scyzara Exactly.

[sir ice]

This is a game of art and emotion, which is what makes it fabulous. This game stays decently realistic, and surviving with a dog that mauls wolves alive is about action and adrenaline. 

[vancopower]

On 27.5.2016 at 3:47 PM, Scyzara said:

What you're describing here has nothing to do with the process of domestication. Domestication is a process that takes thousands of years and requires several hundreds of generations of conscious breeding to change the physical and behavioral traits of a species. The goal of domestication is to adapt a species' traits to human needs, e.g. by making the species less shy (sheep/goats/caribou/etc.), less aggressive (dogs/elephants/water buffalos) or more productive (wheat/apples/cows/pigs/chicken/etc.)

During the process of domestication, dogs e.g. gained the ability to interpret human mimics, gestures and (to some extent) language. If you point your finger towards an object, dogs usually understand that you expect them to inspect (or fetch) said object. Do the same with a wolf and it doesn't understand the gesture at all. Not because it's less intelligent than a dog per se, but because it just can't interpret human gesture equally well.

Even more importantly, modern dogs are pretty obedient and willing to please their owners. More than ten thousand years ago, the first primordial dog breeds had already diverged from the wild wolf populations. And individuals from these primordial dog breeds were selected and chosen for breeding i.e. because of character traits like docility and obedience. As a result, the reward system in a modern dog's brain becomes activated upon fullfilling tasks and getting praised by its owner, hence modern dogs are relatively easy to train by non-specialists.

Training a wolf is way more difficult - not only because the wolf doesn't understand you as well as a dog, but more importantly because it doesn't want to please you. It's brain just doesn't reward it for being obedient. Wolves are similar to cats in this regard, they don't care much what you think about them and don't long for praise. That's why only the most dedicated wolf specialists manage to train a wolf to fulfill some kind of (very easy) order like e.g. to sit down.

 

What you're describing above is not domestication, but imprinting. Wolves (or lions, elephants, geese or whatever else mammal or bird) raised by a human will consider said person to be their parent, follow them around and be somehow loyal to them even as an adult. Some animals may even favor the company of humans over the company of their own kind. It's a behavior well-researched and especially problematic e.g. in human-imprinted parrots who are known to often attack their owner's spouse.

Imprinting an animal to humans is generally nothing positive and should be avoided at all costs because it's likely to cause severe problems, either for the animal itself or for other humans. In case of the mis-imprinted parrots mentioned above (who reject a parrot partner if you try to offer them one), these are known to suffer greatly from the lack of an appropriate partner for social interaction. They show symptoms of depression, pluck out their breast feathers and often die decades earlier than parrots with a companion.

In case of mis-imprinted predators, things can even get dangerous. Most predators raised by a human lack their natural shyness towards humans in general which can easily lead to extremely dangerous encounters with other people. 

Where I live, such human-imprinted animals (e.g. former circus bears or elephants) are classified as "individuals with behavioral disorders". They're absolutely forbidden to be ever set free and would either be caught or shot if they were found in the wild.

So you should honestly tell your friend to immediately stop raising wolf pups and setting them free. It's nothing but irresponsible to do so. He should better bring the pubs to a specialist who manages to raise them without misimprinting. Or, if that's not possible, he at least needs to make sure that the adult wolves are brought to some kind of wildlife park where they can't harm anyone.

 

TL, DR:

Even if you raise a wolf pup, it will never follow your orders like a dog. 

Wow such long post  off course domestication happens over longer period maybe I've should used different word like befriend? Anyway my point is the guy is veterinarian and uses his knowledge to help the poor creatures he also started non-profitable organization which makes reservations for wildlife kind like zoo but more natural, he received the  credit but was screwed by the local government, they sold the place at the end to local business man who made it a restoraunt. It is a sad story every time the man exploits nature like that. It is still a nice place however. Anyway I watched pictures with him and the wolves they seem happy and healthy, given the fact that they were almost extinct in these parts  I would say that they are better off with him than some random hunters which kill them for sport and brag on TV like they did god know what kind of favor to the community.  To sum up I would say this wolves are driven by instinct but they are also very smart creatures and they know to appreciate the one that feeds them, and yes they will never be domesticated as dogs but they will help you if you are in trouble they remember the hand that feeds them. However they are still wild and at some point might turn against you. And yes I totally agree that they can never become your pets.