Stoutlander

When I first started playing the game I thought about this as well, but after thinking more about it, found bows and crossbows wouldn't add to the game.

From a realistic stand point, if you were lucky enough to find a compound bow, then you would also have to be lucky enough to find arrows that were cut to your draw length (the longer someones arms are, the longer their draw length). Crossbows have different length bolts as well. You would also have to hope to find hunting tips for those arrows. Arrow shafts are often wrecked after using them while hunting, and the hunting points can be as well. They actually wouldn't last longer than the arrows do in the game. To top it all off, it's much easier to pick up a rifle and hit your target than to pick up a bow and hit your target if you have never used either. 

The in game bow and arrows are just for the game to work. The idea is based from reality, but everything about them and their manufacture is pretty much nonesense. I know this but don't consider it as I play, and enjoy the game as it is. Adding compound bows and crossbows  would be like adding different types of large caliber rifles. You might need .303 ammo, but find 30-06, .308, or 7mm Rem mag, instead. You now have 4 types of ammo you are lugging around because you think you might find a different caliber rifle down the road. It can just add more headaches than it is worth. Sometimes keeping it simple is better.

13 hours ago, starlin said:

So disks count as downloads for this argument?  I guess that explains your whole thing. 

Why wouldn't they? Ever see one of the many "game of the year" editions on disc from Bethesda which have the games and all the dlc??? Is it the delivery method that makes the added content??? Even the gaming companies that release dlc on discs still refer to it as dlc on the packaging, the disc itself, and their advertising for it. I'm sure you can wrap your head around it. If not, take it up with the gaming companies if you have a problem with it.

OP asked for opinions. I gave mine and explained why. Stop hijacking the thread.

9 hours ago, starlin said:

Before or after 2007? Expansions prior to the big MMO/Live service boom were smart ideas for platforms that could support it.  Rather then have to buy and install a whole new game (which is how it used to work), you can just install an update to the existing game and have access to both content blocks within the same program.  Expansions were often cheaper then full games, and anywhere from maybe half to a full campaign unto itself. 

 

DLC on the other hand was born from the Modding scene.  Being able to add to the game via official channels, and pay for the dev time invested to create it. Usually things too small to be in a proper expansion, and could realistically slot into the base game, or be off shoot of it. 

 

Just because it sucks now doesn't give cause to forget its roots. ...

Blah, blah, blah.

I've played video games since I was a teenager when Pong came out. Spare me your revisionist history. DLC was not "born from the modding scene" as you like to think. I remember well when Bethesda's released their first DLC for Oblivion. It was FREE on a disc included in PC / Xbox 360 Gamer magazine. People passed around the disc with their friends, it was sought out, ( I still have mine). Then Bethesda began charging for content released (and re-released) others - including their first that was utterly pathetic, the infamous "horse armour". Fast forward to Fallout 76 and in between. Shameless cash grabs. They had very enjoyable games, - Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, N.V., & 4, but it doesn't require one to not acknowledge truth.

So no, I haven't forgotten "its roots".

The truth about most dlc's and expansions is that they are shameless ways to extort money from game fans. A more accurate way to describe most dlc's is that they are part of the original game that has been held back for ransom. Bethesda is a master of this. They try to make the perception that the dlc's were planned and made after the game came out but it's all smoke and mirrors. Gaming extortion with a cute little name.

Is there a polite word for whining?

Asking for a friend.

On 2/25/2021 at 4:16 AM, peteloud said:

One should be able to sleep anywhere.  It should be the simple issue of warmth.  If you do not use a bedroll you do not have the warmth bonus.

The ground is a heat sink. A cold floor is a heat sink. Frozen ground is a super heat sink. It is not a simple issue of warmth. You can be nice and toasty, go to sleep on a cold surface and not wake up.

I'm willing to bet that everyone drops "something" that always points to a certain direction when dropped, but doesn't want to talk about it so it doesn't get nerfed. So I'm thinking that if they have a map that is totally reversed with regard to the sun setting and rising, they hopefully won't mess with the "something" that is dropped.

A GO! energy drink is a drink item in The Long Dark . Drinking a GO! energy drink will improve Hunger and Thirst, and it provide a bonus to Fatigue and Stamina through the benefits Energy boost for 30 min and Fatigue reduction for 45 min. When the duration of Energy boost is over, it causes a Headache Affliction .

12 hours ago, Niskavuori said:

I'm thinking of tallow candels...

One might get tallow from Moose and Bear. Something not so easy to hunt. After that it must be melted and maybe cast into used cans with a peice of cloth as a snuff. And you couldn't move them once they are lit. Could be used on craftin tables or for reading indoors...

I have to agree with this.

I enjoy playing this game because of it's roots in realism. With that in mind, I ask "if it was me, what would I do"? Spend a lot of time making latern fuel, or figure out a way to make candles or a type of grease lamp, or colonial style rushlight. I'd conserve my lantern fuel for caves (or use torches) and make some kind of small lighting device for wherever you are camping/staying put. Candles, grease lamp, or rushlight can all be made from rendered fat a heck of a lot easier than trying to make lantern fuel, if it is even possible.

Recreational climbing vs trying to scale a large rock surface with a pack and bedroll (with possibly a rifle or bow) on are two very different things. Maybe they would have to also add a light weight rope so our guy can pull his gear up after he /she climbs?

On 2/18/2021 at 4:19 PM, Mroz4k said:

Storing food outside is not really an issue in terms of realistic survival. It is very much the way meat is often stored in such locations. There is little point to having a larder - so meat would often be hanged high from a tall but young tree to make it out of reach of predators, and usually some distance away from your home, so that the smell of it doesnt bring the predators right to your door. 

The only time this would be done is while packing it back to camp or home, and then it is usually wrapped in something to keep the sun and birds off it.

50 minutes ago, deathbydanish said:

In terms of problems I've experienced personally with revolvers, I had made the mistake of using cheap Russian steel cased ammo in a cheap Taurus revolver. A combination of the revolver's cylinder not having each chamber uniformly sized and the steel cased ammo expanding and being difficult to extract caused it fire, but left the remaining case stuck in the undersized chamber. After that round when I tried to fire again I noticed that the steel case was protruding from the chamber and that stopped the cylinder rotation. When I tried to use the extractor to remove all the rounds at once from cylinder all but the one undersized chamber extracted. I had to use a cleaning rod from my Mosin get it out, but in the process I broke the crane screw which caused the cylinder and crane assembly to fall out when I tried to reload it.

I've shot different revovlers on and off since the late 1970's and the only problem I ever had was similar to yours; bad ammo. The one in the game looks to be modeled after what the RCMP carried and were made by Smith and Wesson. They were extremely reliable, especially in harsh conditions. 

It's a survival game. If your life depends on a firearm, you take care of it as IRL. In game revolvers won't jam as the RCMP's didn't, or do 99.99 % of all others. It is my opinion that the developers were proper with how the revolver functions.

Reloaded ammo might be the only leg the OP has to stand on.

Sleeping on the floor or ground in below freezing temps. I'm sure the developers will get to that right after they allow us to stick our tongues on frozen metal.

I'm wondering if they no longer degrade? I don't use them often, but have used them many times for short periods and they have yet to degrade any amount.

2 hours ago, Themadlad94 said:

 What do you all think?

I think that something like you described could be fun, but would not fit into this game (in my opinion). 

I like this game because of its roots in realism. My view of this game is that if I was trudging around in the frozen Canadian wilds with wolves trying to make a meal out of me, the last thing on my mind would be a pet bird. Catching and eating birds (especially crows) would be a very likely thought.

19 minutes ago, Trunks_Budo said:

Most of these exploits have never been addressed... This game is dead now. Still no bear traps, or forging spears, the only way to kill a bear safely is to exploit its pathing by climbing a tree. They do not, I repeat, do not, care about the gameplay experience.

Such a sad story. You poor thing.

On 2/4/2021 at 11:39 AM, darkscaryforest said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect

Side note: I could just be insane.

That's probably it.  🤣

Just guessing here;

The giant fish is labled "Big Bass" when you catch it. Maybe you were looking for "Giant Fish" and did not click to keep it?

Good luck to you.

I really appreciate how the game "borrows" from reality. I get a kick out of doing things in this game that I have done in my life. 

I truely hope that this game inspires people to get off the couch and see nature. To live it, even if just a brief moment. Go camping or hiking. Something, just get out there.

That, and the importance of having some food stocked up in your house.... 🙂

1 hour ago, ManicManiac said:

@Stoutlander

Most folks talking about canned goods since about 1957...
Even if those folks don't realize it, the large majority of "tin" cans have been predominately made of aluminum for quite a long time now. 

The transition to aluminum (rather than steel -aka "tin plate" cans) was motivated by many things...

• light weight
• competitive cost
• usage of easy-open ends
• clean appearance
• aluminum does not rust
• easy to press into shape

So... are there still steel tin-plated cans made... perhaps some.  However, very few relative to the vast number made of aluminum for the last 30-50 years or so.  Therefore, I'd posit that's reasonable to say that the canned goods we find are very likely made of aluminum.

Evidently you don't purchase many canned goods. Beverages and some canned meats are packed in aluminum cans, and we don't get cans from these in-game. Maybe the 'wiki" page you looked at told you all those supposed facts about cans, but I know that the soups, canned veggies, baked beans, and others I have here in my house are in fact what we call "tin" cans, not aluminum. The current aluminum shortage is negatively effecting the canned beverage industry, not the canned food industry. An overwhelming majority of canned foods in the world use steel cans, not aluminum.

Your point is wrong because it is based on raw numbers of cans instead of the items being canned. More beverages are canned than food is, so the raw number is that there are more aluminum cans than steel. The items that we get cans from in game are because they are tin cans, not aluminum. As far as your last couple of sentances, you are very mistaken.

30 minutes ago, ManicManiac said:

I've given this topic a while to "breath", so now I'll weigh in on it with my opinion.
For the most part my opinion has remained consistent over the years... so I will echo (and update) what I've discussed in the past:

 

Considering that we've seen at least one player who managed to survive in an Interloper run for 10 in-game years... I'd say that there isn't any shortage of metal.  Also I don't think scrap aluminum would at all be equitable to steel in the context of what scrap metal is used for in the game.

I think that being able to transmute aluminum cans into "scrap metal" would only serve to make the game a little easier for the player... and I'm rarely in favor of things I think would just make life easier for the player.

Who was talking about aluminum?

From a realistic standpoint, there wouldn't be much you can do with tin cans. They are too thin for use as scrap metal. 

There were folks that wanted Fallout to be co-op and look how that turned out.

A big no thanks for TLD co-op. Now a NPC or two thrown in (survivor mode), that could be interesting...

Kind of hard to drive fence posts into frozen ground. Putting wire fence (obstructions) around porches and small existing area's to make them safer would make sense though. There are certainly defensive things one would do if we were being hunted by wolves on a regular basis. 

It would be very realistic to make improvised barriers as the O.P. suggests. Heck, one would devise some sort of traps/snares as well.