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haha, I see the sad fanbois have arrived to defend their masters creation have you ever tried to listen a bit and think or you just spit the official excuses? 1 yes, this is a game, we are all aware of it so get over it 2 a: no, you dont burn extra calories to melt snow, you ALREADY do it and generate heat, your body is not a fkin calorifier b: no, in fresh white snow there are no bacterias especially not in -20, its as safe to drink as any tap water, there is an other issue with it actually, thats called osmotic effect (drinking such clear water can damage your body cells) 3 dont you say 4 so? 5 are you sure? 6 they are mountain rescue based on the story, the guy is the pilot and the chick is the medic, they used to be a team up there so even if not survivalists, they should have quite some skills to get over a little cold 7 now i start to think its a mission for you and not a game, thats why you went all mad. did I hurt your little soul? 8 a little? a freshly downed deer would be enough for weeks yet in game you eat it in a maximum of 2 meals which can easily be on the same day and yes, rabbits are lean but eating 4 rabbits for one meal and not even filling your belly is funny, if you think this is even just close to logical or fun, then the issue is in your machine and no, it wouldnt remove the exploration, it would actually add. currently to get food just go always to the same valleys and you can hunt non-stop, you dont need to go to anywhere, get snares and arrows and you can survive in the same hut. Make a deer give actually realistic amount of food but make them rare so you need to go and hunt, not just go over the nearest hill and keep shooting retarded deers who keep running to and back. dont even mention the rabbits, they dont even try to escape 9 ohh, no, now im 100% sure its your holy mission instead 10 if you dont know this, maybe get out from the basement... everybody who ever done any physical activity knows clearly whats the difference between being tired and sleepy. you know tired->rest sleepy->sleep. logic yeah? no wonder you dont need it in the game when you dont have any anyway 11 pffff 12 you know that animals are far better survivalists than you are. small ones like rabbits can live on lichen pine cone or even on green sticks while the bigger ones like deers can eat the bark or branches pine cone and anything else they can find, again you just showcase how you know nothing of the real world, no wonder you dont expect it in a game... knowledge is not a gift, we learn it, you can still do it too 13 for me it is, for you it seems like something else 14 ahhh, now I see what is your problem with my comments you know it was about you and it hurts... man up bro

again, the issue is not that you need to eat, the issue is the illogical way of solving it... eat 600-1000 cal a time max depending on food type because that will fill your belly, eat 2-3000 cal a day as its sufficient even while active, starve to death in 4-5 days not in 12 hours BUT to balance and dont make it too easy make it NECESSITY to have both plant and animal based food in your diet, if you miss meals lose strength (stamina?) that would need a couple of good meal and activity to gain back etc. there are so many logical solutions that would make the game both more logical and more interesting. the problem is that you can freeze to death while just chopping a few sticks, that you can starve to death while cooking a whole deer and die for thirst surrounded by snow that you could just eat, that you can only cook 1 venison at a time or 2 on the bigger stove while in fact I could cook the entire deer over a fire.......... its the logic, the immersion is thats missing. I can turn down the settings i will still have to eat a deer at a time to satisfy my hunger I just need it less frequently. thats not a solution... what is the point of a nice mountain winter survival game if not to immerse yourself into the situation of the guy/girl out there? I was hoping to relive part my youth but every time I run into these illogical stuff i just shake my head and quit...

you are easy to understand as your command of english is pretty good, dont worry, I would just react to this as I gave up the game (again, will check back in an other year or so) for many... sure, life is like that, but i do archery, due to health no more mountain hunting but still shooting targets, also fencing and horse riding, now designing and building a 35ft sailboat, just planning to sail around the entire planet of ours so no, life dont have to be boring get up work watch tv stuff. Aaaaannndddd games are about a virtual reality where theoretically you can do way more than in real life... sadly not in TLD. They have twisted all logic and oversimplified everything with illogical crappy mechanisms to save on work.

Finally, at least somebody understands what I'm talking about, thank you for stopping by. As you say, the more made up things get in, the more balancing is needed and the more made up things will have to be used. the end is that instead of just using intuition and real survival skills you need to learn the game mechanisms, hell, you even have to learn the maps or on most of them you have no chance at all, and live with them, which, exactly because they are not logical and intuitive will become boring chores instead of fun choices. sadly as you say, these options do not solve the ones I mentioned and last year I played so much I just cant justify it again, even though these custom options made it somewhat better. Im still hoping a little that this can be better, I might be back when mods will be a thing, hell, maybe I will make a realism mod for the game, the problem is only how much access we get. unity games are not difficult to mod so... we will see.

except it could be fine tuned with other aspects. currently you can just cut up a deer, bag it and take it home in your pocket which is just as silly as eating it at once. you should be only able to take it bits by bits, snow could bury it, wolves eat it or pull it to shelter, this would actually add to the complexity and variety of the game instead of making it boring. where will you store the food to make sure it wont deteriorate or being stolen? how will you take food for journeys with you? dont think having a deer that is enough for a week would solve your problems

wohooo, except the problem is exactly not with the numbers but with the challenge hinterland had failed (aka finding a balance between routine and variety) as there is no variety. btw in real life main challenge would be heat (assuming you didnt get there naked) which you can either generate yourself with exercise or with fire. food is pretty secondary as long as there are trees and knowledge you can survive even if you need to eat the trees themselves, also you can survive 4-5 days with barely any nutrition and can eat snow to stay hydrated and after starving 3 days you still only need one meal, you CANT eat more as your belly wont allow it. compared to this in the game its exactly the opposite, as long as you have a house around, your only worry is food, you only need to make fire to cook. btw, the game is also lacking in mechanisms to make fire without tools which is pretty silly. its the knowledge that made humans more than animals "then I would suggest moving on" thats what I did, deleted the game and prepared my bows to go out as soon as i will have a free day, though if you give this advice to every potential customer of hinterland they wont be happy with your forum behaviour

yes, they are not stupid, but if he was alone, it could end pretty differently... in Transylvania the govt ordered shooting hundreds of wolves and bears as they were attacking the villages and the villagers.

As a bowhunter i used to run and walk in minuses all day long, never had to sleep after 2 hours. maybe do something your body is up to, like doing pedicure for puppies nobody wants things to be entirely accurate in a game just be more logical than this made up mess. btw, i have rl 2.0 with Transylvania DLC. plenty of mountains snow and wildlife with deers bears wolves and wild boars to have fun with

who burns individual sticks? you make a campfire from them and they can last many hours, i mean the sticks you collect simply by picking them up and yes, i did drag many big branches to the fire, not complete trees but in the game you dont touch the cut down trees either, those are limbs that you can easily drag to the fire, also the branches...

one thing: nobody cares what annoys you you dont have to answer, hell, dont even have to read two thing: so what? ahh,because the game lack of mechanisms eg there isnt really anything else to do but fishing hunting then it has to be made ridiculous enough to keep you fishing and hunting ok, I see now... instead hunting could be made lasting for days living on the 12k calories you fished for those days, but of course its simpler just to put 3 deers in front of you who wont even run away and to balance the abundance out lets make the player eat them in 2 days cool balance...

did you ever make an outdoor fire from sticks? sticks that you can just pick up and throw on the fire WILL burn for hours for you, branches that you can break down by hand can be broken down in seconds, especially small ones that only gives you 3 sticks and limbs that gives you wood like in the game can be cut up with an axe in 10-15 min, the difference is that in real life you dont just throw it all in the stove, you need to feed the fire. if it would work like this, true, the collecting wood would be less challenging but keeping the fire alive and a house warm would be a bigger challenge, especially if you could freeze in the house. this would give more reasons to go out but each run would be more doable, instead of going out to get a single limb but freezing to death while you cut it up dragging it closer to the fire would also make it more interesting. back in the old time somebody noted that collecting sticks in the arms could also be done and that would again be more interesting than just handling it as an item in your pocket. but i see you dont understand the topic itself. its not about the game being hard, its about being illogical...

yes, this is a point, but finding food shouldnt be the drive to go out, it should be exploration, hunting for resources and primarily heat, whenever I was out in the nature that was the most pressing matter. get enough wood to have a fire all night but in this game even that is ridiculous, chopping a piece of wood with an axe takes hours and you cant even drag it close to the fire really? Hunting also should be much more challenging, having less animal and running further away on an unsuccessful attempt or straight away hiding, for now its just ridiculously simple. go there, shoot miss wait while calms down rinse and repeat...

yes, you can survive if you use the health trick and only eating when critical. imagine eating 3 kg venison in real life. good luck with it. the point is not possibility, the point is its "logicality", eating 3 kg pure meat at a time would just about make you unable to move for hours

3 kg will feed you once from zero to full if its a deer, a rabbit has 500/kg, just in this moment ate 3.5kg rabbit and it took me from near starving to 2/3 of the meter, thats just eating at the beginning of the day after a long sleep. anything you do after this will rapidly burn that calorie and will need to eat again... the other poorly done thing is that you can cook only 1 or 2 piece at a time depending on the fire, cooking 8 kg meat will take at least 4 hours, thats enough to get hungry again so no, 2-3 venisons on stalker wont feed you for a day

hard? noobs can only come with this all the time? this game is not hard, its easy, very easy, its just illogical and boring as you don't do anything but fishing hunting eating it all. i hate snares, they are cruel. did you ever leave your basement? i mean in real life, i was a traditionalist bowhunter in a country where winter is really cold (i still have 4 of my 6 bows), no, nobody eats 12 kilos of fishes or a whole deer, not once, not even a whole day, ffs not even in 3 days, not even out hunting in -15. Lions eat around 3.5 kg meat a day in captivity, slightly more in wild and lions are a lot bigger than men. I can go out fishing a few hours catching enough fish for a whole family. Did you ever kill a pig? you know, cut it up putting in the freezer? or you just buy them in the supermarket? even one gives an insane amount of meet, a deer gives FAR FAR more. the challenge in the game shouldnt come from just getting food. wood, heating the cabins (that gives you now automatic above zero safeplace) would be much more logical... no house in -30 would be a safe place without constant heating. also, climbing a cliff makes you tired, not sleepy. nobody gets sleepy right after sleeping 12 hours just because had a little activity... these stupid things can come only from someone never ever done anything like this. i used to wander the mountains for days, actually slept a lot less than at home. you get more tired but will have a much better sleep...

So, I've started a new game hearing about redux, last Ive played in ea and was hoping some things to be fixed. sadly as i see, instead of fixes things went even more illogical... for the sake of... what? like, i ate 4 whole rabbits nicely cooked but 4 whole rabbits werent enough to fill my belly. really? ok, shot a deer, a whole deer, and again, I ate the whole deer by the time cooked it 2 bits a time. should i make 4 fires to cook the deer and dont starve to death while cooking it? at the moment, the crappiest food, the cat tail is actually the best food, I can harvest tons of it with no effort and feed on it for days. i dont even get started on fishing. I ate 12kg of fish in one meal. c'mon. I couldnt stop fishing or i starve to death, and this wasnt even the highest difficulty. but after all this the worse thing: to bring snow from -10, -20 to 0 degrees, you need 5-10 times less energy than to bring it to 100 from 0 degrees, and need about 8 times the energy to boil than to melt so why on earth melting and boiling time is the same? show melts right in your hand, you can eat snow straight from the ground but you cant boil it in your mouth. after all this falling asleep after a bit running or climbing im not even surprised, seriously, you climb a rock and you get sleepy even though you just been sleeping for 12 hours? pfff, this could be such a great game if these things done properly, right now its just a cooking sim