Repairing without tools

[druffzilla]

Repairing hatchet, knife and the rifle works totally fine without tools, all it takes is a little more time.

I have never repaired a rifle, but fitting a handle for a hatchet or knife seems pretty difficult to me if you don't have a rasp to fit the axe handle or a screwdriver if the handle of the knife is screwed on... the best you would be able to do is fit a new wedge into the axe handle to fix it temporarily.

My suggestion is simply lower the repair you can do from 35% to 15% if you don't have any tools available.

Also, I thought about duct tape as a multi functional repair resource, you would be able to fix tools like the hatchet or knife, maybe the rifle and maybe boots and coats with it a little bit, maybe 10%.

Due to its low weight, 0.25kg its a good choice to carry around at all times.

[Boston123]

The in-game knife is called a "full tang", meaning the handle of the knife is made of metal, and the blade and the handle is all one piece. You shouldn't need any tools to take the wooden bits off (bang them until they break), and you can easily make a new handle by wrapping the metal tang with some cord, leather, or cloth.

As for "fitting an axe head", you can easily "rasp" the handle down to fit the eye of the head using a concrete floor, or even just an abrasive rock. A knife would be perfectly usable. And "fixing a new wedge into the eye to fix it temporarily"? You do realize that that is HOW you fix an axe head permanently, right?

Oh, and I would NEVER try to hold an axe or a rifle together with duct tape.

[druffzilla]

Alright, but fitting a new wooden handle on a knife would require some tools at least.

I agree fitting a new handle on an axe would work with a knife or maybe even the axe head if you have nothing else available, but for a perfect fit a concrete floor would not do the job. Also you do realize adding several wedges over time into a old handle does not leave you with the same results as fitting a new one, it is only temporarily, right?

I personally would love to have some duct tape to fix my broken axe handle instead of holding onto the splintered part of the handle, even if that is only very temporarily.

I'm not sure if the barrel of the rifle ever comes loose, but in that case I would love to have some duct tape to temporarily secure it to the stock too.

btw. to me the knife looks to be a "rat tail tang" or "hidden tang" not saying you couldn't improvise a handle on that by wrapping it, but thats what it looks like...

[Boston123]

Alright, but fitting a new wooden handle on a knife would require some tools at least.

I agree fitting a new handle on an axe would work with a knife or maybe even the axe head if you have nothing else available, but for a perfect fit a concrete floor would not do the job. Also you do realize adding several wedges over time into a old handle does not leave you with the same results as fitting a new one, it is only temporarily, right?

I personally would love to have some duct tape to fix my broken axe handle instead of holding onto the splintered part of the handle, even if that is only very temporarily.

I'm not sure if the barrel of the rifle ever comes loose, but in that case I would love to have some duct tape to temporarily secure it to the stock too.

btw. to me the knife looks to be a "rat tail tang" or "hidden tang" not saying you couldn't improvise a handle on that by wrapping it, but thats what it looks like...

Point being: you don't need a wooden handle on a a knife

Weird, I have been making new handles for my hatchet for many years. I have been using the same wedge all this time, and it worked fine. You do know that you have to soak the head/handle + wedge in water to get a tight fit, right? You can't fit it dry

I used pine resin + charcoal glue to keep my wedges in place. Works like a charm

I have also used a concrete floor to rasp a new handle to shape, then split it, bound it beneath the split with pine-glue-soaked twine, then fitted the head and (after soaking) went to work. Was it "perfect"? Of course not. Did it work? Of course, and that is all that mattered.

If your axe-handle breaks, don't bother trying to duct-tape it together. Make a new one. With a straight piece of wood, you can easily make a new handle in 5 minutes.

If the barrel of your rifle comes loose, then you tighten the screws that hold it in place. I wouldn't use a rifle where the barrel was held on via duct tape.

Even if the tang is a rat-tail or hidden-tang, you can easily make a handle for it from a section of branch. Heat up the tang in a fire, or over a lantern-flame (being careful not to heat up the edge), and press the hot tang into the piece of wood. It will burn its way into the section of wood, and be tight as can be.

[druffzilla]

If you have quality wedges of course they will last as long as the axe head, but adding another wedge when the head starts to come loose is only a temporary fix.

I never said you can't repair a axe or knife without tools at all, I just said its more difficult...

Things are not 100% logic and accurate in the game, you wouldn't be able to fix a axe head with a piece of scrap metal nor would adding a piece of wood repair the handle at all, basically a broken handle cannot be fixed, you have to replace it and if done properly and you have a quality head its as good as new, but in the game you repair the hatchet a third with those things...

All I suggested was lowering the amount of repair one can do without tools, which seemed about accurate to me since a additional wedge will only secure the head for the time till you can make a new handle, also you cannot make a handle in 5 minutes without tools especially not when your out in the woods or not in your workshop...

That's why duct tape would be a useful thing, either to tape the handle if it just started splintering or to tie it around the sharp edge to finish gathering your firewood.

Same with the knife, if your handle falls off, duct tape would do the trick to keep working.

As I said I have never repaired a rifle and since its somewhat uncommon to own guns other then 4.5mm air rifles in Germany I never experienced what real force a real blackpowder cartridge has, or whatever explosive is used in modern ammunition, but i guess having some duct tape if you don't have a screwdriver available would be appreciated and would ensure the barrel not completely coming off when firing a few more rounds.

Although I don't see the logic behind soaking your handle in water before you fit it since it will shrink once it dries, I have no doubts you have some craftsman skills but I don't really wanna argue with you about your techniques of fitting axe handles or whatever anyway...

So I would appreciate, if you have some constructive ideas to write them down and we can discuss them. If you think that duct tape would not hold a rifle barrel then how about implementing a small chance of the gun to completely jam in the next shots?

[Foxen]

With all your calculations...did you think about the rate at what the tools degrade?

And if so...how did you get to 15% or even 10% with Duct Tape?

I've used many Hatches/axes in RL...but never has any of them degraded that 'fast'...but that's another 'FineTuneStory' for the DEVs ^^

But...three limbs of wood (one Time harvesting wood...) make the hatchet degrade by 2%...and you want to 'fix' it by only 10% with Duct Tape?

Just think over the relations we're talking

And I can assure you from experience...as Boston123 said (and especially in a Survival-Stiuation):

You will surely never ever use a Gun that's 'fixed' with Duct Tape. :!: :mrgreen:

[druffzilla]

What do you think is wrong in the 10% of repair that could be done with duct tape?

To much or to little to be realistic?

As I said its obvious that things aren't 100% accurate in the game, the duct tape would be more like a chance to get a few pieces of fir before it completely falls apart...

So whats wrong with shooting a gun that is fixed with duct tape, would you rather shoot it with a loose barrel? I doubt that...

Instead of saying this and that is inaccurate and you would never do that, you guys could explain why or how to make it better/more accurate...

Now I'm thinking about the whole hatchet thing as nonsense and they should introduce axe heads which can't be fixed but degenerate very very slow, axe handles which cant be fixed either but have to be crafted from fir which degenerate in more or less the same rate as hatchets do now.

Once your axe head is completely used up, which would take a very long time, maybe a 1/50 chance every time you harvest that it can loose 1% condition, you have to make a new improvised axe head at the forge which lasts less.