About the Meteorologic conditions

[Le_Survivant]

I played TLD since November, and I got a strange feeling about the meteorologic conditions. Indeed, I got this unpleasant feeling that I can use some control about it, mostly by just going in a house, sleeping an hour, just to have the weather changed. And it work pretty well, but it ruins a lot of the fun when I did this, because I don't feel trapped, or stuck by the weather. This is not the weather which make changing my plans, instead I'm changing the weather.

There is also an issue, partially solved I think about the lookout, because the weather seems to change more realistically in this place, but the blizzard seems sometimes to be stuck, like it will never be gone, even if you stay in it for weeks.

I don't know how it is actually, but the weather should not be influenced by the fact that I get in a house, and should have patterns I could not have influence on.

[JErosion]

its still a work in progress that could use adjustments. I like the change in weather, although i wish the shift might be more gradual, you start harvesting a rabbit during clear skies and when done your in the middle of a blizzard. Also there are times when the weather is more of an annoyance. Takin' stuff to the Hydro Damn, when your half way there have blizzard. Next Day takin more stuff to the Damn, are you at the half-way point? have another blizzard. Time to head to the Ravine, have another an 8 hour Blizzard

[Le_Survivant]

The weather switch are too fast for sure, and I also would like to have a more graduated switch. The harvesting thing is so true.

We could have some clues that tell us the weather is going to be worst or better, with the sound and with the images. Although, all this very fast switch may be explain by "the geomagnetic disaster"

My point was that If a blizzard is supposed to rage for 8 hours if I was outside, the fact that I get inside and sleep one hour shouldnt affect the lasting of the blizzard !

[octavian]

My point was that If a blizzard is supposed to rage for 8 hours if I was outside, the fact that I get inside and sleep one hour shouldnt affect the lasting of the blizzard !

How do you know in advance how long a blizzard is supposed to last?

[Le_Survivant]

This is about identifying the weather patterns, they are always the same, which I don't have any trouble with, I mean in time lasting.

I could make an experience, maybe I will if I have some time to kill :

save in forest or abandoned outlook during a blizzard, behind idle, and counting the time the blizzard last and then close the game

then I will restart at the begining of the blizzard and just sleep for one hour, or just walk to the next house, and I'm pretty sure the time will change in a different way that It had in the first place, which is the feeling I talked about earlier "to be able to have an influence on the weather"

Nobody have this feeling ?

[octavian]

So what you're saying is that you suspect the remaining time of the current weather stage is not saved along with everything else in the case of saving the game?

[Le_Survivant]

No, because I think that If I stay idle in the lookout for a while and do it multiple times with the same save the weather pattern will be the same, let's say 2 hours of blizzard left.

I suspect that the loading screen when the character enters / leaves a house, or sleep change the weather patterns.

[jackattack]

That's not my experience.

I frequently take an hour nap just to kill time waiting for the weather to change, and I am as likely to wake up to continuing bad weather as to a change for better weather. I've had days when I couldn't go outside because the storm just wouldn't stop.

Kind of frustrating that one of the most beautiful game environments ever rendered spends so much time obscured by bad weather effects.

[Le_Survivant]

So this is weird, because this is definitively what happens to me. I'm never stuck for days with the same weather, like blizzard, unless I am in one of the lookout. So bad weather and good weather last never too long, which is a bad and a good thing in the same time.

I tried it, and for example a blizzard just started, very low temperatures, i just get inside, get out, and there was only a classic snow with 7 or 8 degrees more. Is that normal ?

Might be a bug from my version ?

[selfless]

:?

[Le_Survivant]

Fight through a blizzard for two hours. See cabin. Go in. Come out. Bright sunny day.

Weather seems to respawn upon entering a building...

I'm glad that someone finally understand me :lol: !

[madrepityu]

I used to go out from my base and come back immediately if there's a blizzard or high winds outside and I want it to change. It's used to trigger another weather pattern. Not all the time, but most of the time. Because if I just changed the weather by going out/come back inside then it needs to spend some time on the current weather pattern before I can change it again. It's also working the other way: good weather to bad weather.

I believe it's working like that since the first public version.

I use this method frequently, however I don't like to do it. But I hate the fast changing weather more, so this is my defense. Well, at least I made myself this ideology.

[toebar]

Would be good to get a dev comment on whether this is the case

[JErosion]

Ive been taking the game slow in easy mode the last week to absorb all the changes to the landscape, New rock outcroppings here, new corpse spawns there, Bear cave shifting a little to the east over, stuff like that.

I like the changes made to weather, however every day its a blizzard, If it starts to snow I figure i got anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour before a blizzard hits. I Miss just having snow flurries or a gentle snow that doesn't end in cloth shredding wind. Or the fog banks that obscure everything.

[Le_Survivant]

I use this method frequently, however I don't like to do it. But I hate the fast changing weather more, so this is my defense. Well, at least I made myself this ideology.

I don't like it neither, but my ideology for using it, is that it quite often screw me, because I got a nice weather, maybe a little cold, but no snow, I just get inside to warm up, and then as soon as I get out, it start to snow or there is an heavy fog, when I would had like that the weather wont change.

Ive been taking the game slow in easy mode the last week to absorb all the changes to the landscape, New rock outcroppings here, new corpse spawns there, Bear cave shifting a little to the east over, stuff like that.

I like the changes made to weather, however every day its a blizzard, If it starts to snow I figure i got anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour before a blizzard hits. I Miss just having snow flurries or a gentle snow that doesn't end in cloth shredding wind. Or the fog banks that obscure everything.

I was personally absolutely not complaining about the difficulty the weather is in surviving in this game. Actually I find it very good, not too easy, nor too difficult ( I play in Stalker) except maybe in the very first beginnings.

Would be good to get a dev comment on whether this is the case

nice pun !

But Yes please !

[bethany]

Sorry, are you guys asking if the weather is supposed to change when you enter/exit a house? Because no, it is not. If you're finding this to be the case, please head to the tech section so we can grab an output log from you and take a look.

If this isn't what you guys were asking, just let me know! A little hard to know for sure sometimes =)

[toebar]

Thanks Bethany. That is what I was asking.

[KD7BCH]

The weather transitions are also much too fast, one moment cloudy, next min sunny, next min blizzard, each transition only lasts about 10 seconds, should be a longer overall transition.

[federico]

I think weather changes really fast in the game. From clear day to raging blizzard in hours, and then clear again. Weather conditions should last for days, not hours.

[jackattack]

The rapid-fire weather changes are another result of the geomagnetic event, so make sense in an "a wizard did it" kind of way. Perhaps weather duration could vary between difficulty levels (if it doesn't already).

[Le_Survivant]

I don't think this is a bug, @Bethany. I really think this is about the weather mechanics works. I just feel like the fact that I get in a house will start a transition, and maybe a short nap if just going in/out isnt enough.

Ok, maybe I should go to the tecnics issue ? But i'm quite sure they will tell me everything is alright with my game !

[selfless]

Just thought of this: What if severe storms persist only to torture players? Maybe storm duration is linked to player experience.

If the player encounters a storm and chooses to stay out (brave the weather) it will continue, persist, or even escalate. Then when the player shelters into a building, the reason for the storm to continue is removed and it dissipates. Kinda tree-in-the-forest like, if no one is there to freeze, why render it?

Pure evil :mrgreen:

[selfless]

Just thought of this: What if severe storms persist only to torture players? Maybe storm duration is linked to player experience.

If the player encounters a storm and chooses to stay out (brave the weather) it will continue, persist, or even escalate. Then when the player shelters into a building, the reason for the storm to continue is removed and it dissipates. Kinda tree-in-the-forest like, if no one is there to freeze, why render it?

Pure evil :mrgreen:

Confirmed?

Out in the woods chopping, freezing, in a blizzard. The usual. Finally contracted hypothermia. Decided to call it a day. Fight through -18C with -20 windchill (70 kph winds?), now a headwind. Made it back to base, but only 10% life remaining. Didn't want to deal with near-death blurring and stairs. Remembered hypothermia saved game. Hit load game to try to get home faster...

Back in the woods. Hypothermic. Not freezing. Cuz it feels like 9 C out and the sun is shining. 60% health, might as well chop more wood. Realize this is crazy. Hit load again to get weather more like first run...

Back in the woods. Feels like 9 C. Sunny. Load.

Feels like 9 C. Sunny.

Conclusion: the only reason for the continuous blizzard in first play through was to continue the perception. Weather generator had already moved on to Sunny and Warm. Generator weather pattern was saved vice perceived weather pattern. Or no save and weather generated at random the same three times in a row...