The Ability to find and loot your plane.

MiniNightmare36 · August 13, 2015

You would be able to get a lot of supplies from your plane crash that might be helpful to the player.

danicusrex · August 13, 2015

+1 Ooh, yeah that would be really great and add to immersion.

You wouldn't even need that many supplies in the crash... Just rather than have your starting gear appear on you it spawns in the nearby crash. You get your starting gear by looting the plane.

Aduron · August 13, 2015

+1 Ooh, yeah that would be really great and add to immersion.
You wouldn't even need that many supplies in the crash... Just rather than have your starting gear appear on you it spawns in the nearby crash. You get your starting gear by looting the plane.

That's a really cool idea! I just wonder if it's "worth" the developer's time, as it would take some art and a bunch of coding (all of the starting points would need to have an airplane wreckage added in, and have the right one show up for each point). If I had to guess, this will definitely be implemented in story mode.

AmericanSteel · August 13, 2015

I would think this option would be necessary in Story Mode. Not so much in sandbox as the game starts after the player has wandered into the current location after an undetermined amount of time.

I would rather the devs give us the options of cannibalizing cars for loot. After all there is only one plane. How many cars are there?

Boston123 · August 13, 2015

I would think this option would be necessary in Story Mode. Not so much in sandbox as the game starts after the player has wandered into the current location after an undetermined amount of time.
I would rather the devs give us the options of cannibalizing cars for loot. After all there is only one plane. How many cars are there?

If that is the case, then I am VERY concerned as to why our intrepid bushpilot forgot to include a knife in their survival kit....

AmericanSteel · August 13, 2015

I would think this option would be necessary in Story Mode. Not so much in sandbox as the game starts after the player has wandered into the current location after an undetermined amount of time.
I would rather the devs give us the options of cannibalizing cars for loot. After all there is only one plane. How many cars are there?
If that is the case, then I am VERY concerned as to why our intrepid bushpilot forgot to include a knife in their survival kit....

I think the real point is "What survival kit?"

All of the items could just have been used up, lost, destroyed, etc. We just don't know the time between the crash and the start of the game. In my current game my pilot started out with shoes, no socks, jeans and a sweater. Really? You fly in the bush and you did not even bring a coat and some gloves?!?! I am just glad I did not start off in a t-shirt, shorts and flip flops.

Boston123 · August 13, 2015

I would think this option would be necessary in Story Mode. Not so much in sandbox as the game starts after the player has wandered into the current location after an undetermined amount of time.
I would rather the devs give us the options of cannibalizing cars for loot. After all there is only one plane. How many cars are there?
If that is the case, then I am VERY concerned as to why our intrepid bushpilot forgot to include a knife in their survival kit....
I think the real point is "What survival kit?"
All of the items could just have been used up, lost, destroyed, etc. We just don't know the time between the crash and the start of the game. In my current game my pilot started out with shoes, no socks, jeans and a sweater. Really? You fly in the bush and you did not even bring a coat and some gloves?!?! I am just glad I did not start off in a t-shirt, shorts and flip flops.

Pretty much. I think it is a LAW in Alaska that you HAVE to have a well-stocked survival kit in your plane if you are a bush pilot. I am assuming there is a similar law in northern Canada. Food, NUMEROUS and MULTIPLE firestarting tools, a knife (and probably a saw), flares, and clothing to "suit the environment". And, even if it isn't a law, many bushpilots throw a firearm in there as well.

It just .... screams "incompetence" to me. Even if they used up all the matches, or all their packed food, they should still have suitable clothing, or even a folding knife. Hell, I required my students to be more prepared than our characters, and this was in a New England summer. If they tried to show up with the stuff we have, they would've failed the course!

danicusrex · August 13, 2015

Heck, I live in New England and I don't even leave the house without a folding knife.

...Let alone flying over rough territory like that.

AmericanSteel · August 13, 2015

... Pretty much. I think it is a LAW in Alaska that you HAVE to have a well-stocked survival kit in your plane if you are a bush pilot. I am assuming there is a similar law in northern Canada. Food, NUMEROUS and MULTIPLE firestarting tools, a knife (and probably a saw), flares, and clothing to "suit the environment". And, even if it isn't a law, many bushpilots throw a firearm in there as well.
It just .... screams "incompetence" to me. Even if they used up all the matches, or all their packed food, they should still have suitable clothing, or even a folding knife. Hell, I required my students to be more prepared than our characters, and this was in a New England summer. If they tried to show up with the stuff we have, they would've failed the course!

As said it in another post, prior planning prevents what?

However, if our character would have had a full set of clothing and a blade it would change the dynamic at the beginning of the game. Instead, maybe all beginning players start out with the same gear set just the condition is different: 100-75% for easy, 50-75% for medium and 25%-50% for hard. Then there could be a bit of a random gap on the other gear. For example, the easy player a starts with a good fire striker, the medium gets a box of 20 wooden matches and the hard player get a book of 12 cardboard matches. Et al.

Aduron · August 13, 2015

Pretty much. I think it is a LAW in Alaska that you HAVE to have a well-stocked survival kit in your plane if you are a bush pilot. I am assuming there is a similar law in northern Canada. Food, NUMEROUS and MULTIPLE firestarting tools, a knife (and probably a saw), flares, and clothing to "suit the environment". And, even if it isn't a law, many bushpilots throw a firearm in there as well.
It just .... screams "incompetence" to me. Even if they used up all the matches, or all their packed food, they should still have suitable clothing, or even a folding knife. Hell, I required my students to be more prepared than our characters, and this was in a New England summer. If they tried to show up with the stuff we have, they would've failed the course!

I have to disagree. Have you been in a plane crash before? I sure haven't, but what I do know is that they can burn VERY hot and even explode after they've been on the ground for a while. If it were me, I would have moved to a safe distance ASAP and gone back later. Perhaps we can assume that our dear friend's plane was cooked in its own fuel, and what he was able to scavenge was quite minimal. I know even when its' -30 outside and I'm driving, I turn the heat up and take my coat off. I think what I find my character wearing is generous: do you always have matches in your pocket, even when you're, say, driving? I sure don't. Sure, if I'm backpacking I'm always prepared, but not during my everyday job.

Maninpants · August 13, 2015

As said it in another post, prior planning prevents what?

I know over here we say something along the lines of "Planning and Preperation Prevents P*ss Poor Performance"

all beginning players start out with the same gear set just the condition is different: 100-75% for easy, 50-75% for medium and 25%-50% for hard. Then there could be a bit of a random gap on the other gear.

I really like that idea. This is the only game where I wouldn't mind dying, through no fault of my own, a few times before my run actually "got going" so to speak. It would make the run, and you surviving it, more special if that makes sense.

On topic - I should've just quoted AmericanSteel again... I would like to loot and see the plane etc but if we do start out with all the survival gear then that is a bit too easy.

In story mode it might be included, however people have fallen out of planes and survived and yet the plane has been found miles from their location.

danicusrex · August 13, 2015

I work in an office and right now I am within arm's reach of a satchel that contains matches, a leatherman, a 24oz water bottle, and three of those braided rope bracelets that turn into 12 feet of good rope (one of them even has a wire saw inside the braid). As well as my lunch and my work stuff.

Maybe I'm just more prepared for a bad situation than most, but it's not unreasonable to assume someone flying over the wilderness was at least somewhat prepared for things to go bad.

And maybe this person doesn't have all the gear they need with them, but I'd still like to scavenge the starting gear off the ground/ out of the plane itself (I'm picturing a little single-engine Cessna) rather than have it already in my inventory.

Though I will concede that the sandbox mode might start you out having walked from the wreckage already and we're past that point. It's just a neat cinematic thought, having to scrape up whatever you can from a broken plane, and then do your best to not die.

Boston123 · August 13, 2015

Pretty much. I think it is a LAW in Alaska that you HAVE to have a well-stocked survival kit in your plane if you are a bush pilot. I am assuming there is a similar law in northern Canada. Food, NUMEROUS and MULTIPLE firestarting tools, a knife (and probably a saw), flares, and clothing to "suit the environment". And, even if it isn't a law, many bushpilots throw a firearm in there as well.
It just .... screams "incompetence" to me. Even if they used up all the matches, or all their packed food, they should still have suitable clothing, or even a folding knife. Hell, I required my students to be more prepared than our characters, and this was in a New England summer. If they tried to show up with the stuff we have, they would've failed the course!
I have to disagree. Have you been in a plane crash before? I sure haven't, but what I do know is that they can burn VERY hot and even explode after they've been on the ground for a while. If it were me, I would have moved to a safe distance ASAP and gone back later. Perhaps we can assume that our dear friend's plane was cooked in its own fuel, and what he was able to scavenge was quite minimal. I know even when its' -30 outside and I'm driving, I turn the heat up and take my coat off. I think what I find my character wearing is generous: do you always have matches in your pocket, even when you're, say, driving? I sure don't. Sure, if I'm backpacking I'm always prepared, but not during my everyday job.

Again: LAW to have some sort of survival gear. As in, REQUIRED.

And, probably the easiest place to store said survival kit would be under the seat, in a small duffel bag. So, when you crash, when you get out you can grab the kit and bring it with you.

In past builds, opening the "inventory" screen would show a full-blown backpack in the background. It is safe to assume our characters had ample time to drag that behemoth out of the plane.

Oh, and yes, I always have some sort of knife and firestarting tool on me.

On my keyring: small "Swiss Army" multi-tool and a small firesteel

In my car: 2 wool blankets, small shovel, folding saw, 3/4 axe, rubber mats (for under-tire traction)

On my Sheath-knife ... sheath: larger multi-tool, whistle, large firesteel, lighter, flashlight, 200+ feet of paracord

On my survival kit: 100 feet of paracord, multi-tool, compass, whistle, small firesteel

I take the Boy Scout Motto :Be Prepared, very seriously. I read all the time about people being stranded in their cars with ZERO supplies, and all I can do is facepalm.

AmericanSteel · August 13, 2015

Pretty much. I think it is a LAW in Alaska that you HAVE to have a well-stocked survival kit in your plane if you are a bush pilot. I am assuming there is a similar law in northern Canada. Food, NUMEROUS and MULTIPLE firestarting tools, a knife (and probably a saw), flares, and clothing to "suit the environment". And, even if it isn't a law, many bushpilots throw a firearm in there as well.
It just .... screams "incompetence" to me. Even if they used up all the matches, or all their packed food, they should still have suitable clothing, or even a folding knife. Hell, I required my students to be more prepared than our characters, and this was in a New England summer. If they tried to show up with the stuff we have, they would've failed the course!
I have to disagree. Have you been in a plane crash before? I sure haven't, but what I do know is that they can burn VERY hot and even explode after they've been on the ground for a while. If it were me, I would have moved to a safe distance ASAP and gone back later. Perhaps we can assume that our dear friend's plane was cooked in its own fuel, and what he was able to scavenge was quite minimal. I know even when its' -30 outside and I'm driving, I turn the heat up and take my coat off. I think what I find my character wearing is generous: do you always have matches in your pocket, even when you're, say, driving? I sure don't. Sure, if I'm backpacking I'm always prepared, but not during my everyday job.

Planes exploding on impact is really a over use of creative license for Hollywood. Like cars in 80 TV shows. Do they explode? Sure. The more fuel the greater the chance. Also depends on what kind of fuel mix you are using. After all, not everything burns JP-8. Most small aircraft simply crash and sit there, just like cars. However, if there is a lot of fuel spilling out of the wings or other external/internal fuel tanks then the risk increases.

All that said, the bush pilot could have parachuted out before the crash. They could have been thrown clear during the crash (and are damn lucky to be alive). The portion of the plane there were is in intact but the remainder of the plane is unsalvageable or unsafe, as you suggested. I take the current condition of the character to be after they have hiked into the starting position. They may have been hiking through the frozen north for days or even weeks before the game starts.

While I would like to think they would be more prepared there is nothing to say there were or were not. It has just become how they are when the game starts and cold starts to set in.

BaneofBadgers · August 14, 2015

i think this would be a great addition to the game. there would be lots of corpses, food and kerosene. however, wildlife may have to attracted to the tasty corpses...

Ikaris · August 14, 2015

Bush Planes crash, the wings get torn off, the fuel (in the wings) get left behind.

The torpedo shaped fuselage arrows into the ground. (steep angle = self burial, Shallow angle is a grinding halt you might walk away from.)

danicusrex · August 14, 2015

I feel like we're all picturing different kinds of planes. I'm picturing like a single-engine Cessna. A bush plane, not a passenger liner.

AmericanSteel · August 14, 2015

I feel like we're all picturing different kinds of planes. I'm picturing like a single-engine Cessna. A bush plane, not a passenger liner.

^^ This

nicko · August 14, 2015

I feel like we're all picturing different kinds of planes. I'm picturing like a single-engine Cessna. A bush plane, not a passenger liner.
^^ This

yeh and not much would be left of it? maybe a cabin to take refuge! find some metal parts to harvest. maybe other such as cloth or fuel.

megamillionare · August 14, 2015

Pretty much. I think it is a LAW in Alaska that you HAVE to have a well-stocked survival kit in your plane if you are a bush pilot. I am assuming there is a similar law in northern Canada. Food, NUMEROUS and MULTIPLE firestarting tools, a knife (and probably a saw), flares, and clothing to "suit the environment". And, even if it isn't a law, many bushpilots throw a firearm in there as well.
It just .... screams "incompetence" to me. Even if they used up all the matches, or all their packed food, they should still have suitable clothing, or even a folding knife. Hell, I required my students to be more prepared than our characters, and this was in a New England summer. If they tried to show up with the stuff we have, they would've failed the course!
I have to disagree. Have you been in a plane crash before? I sure haven't, but what I do know is that they can burn VERY hot and even explode after they've been on the ground for a while. If it were me, I would have moved to a safe distance ASAP and gone back later. Perhaps we can assume that our dear friend's plane was cooked in its own fuel, and what he was able to scavenge was quite minimal. I know even when its' -30 outside and I'm driving, I turn the heat up and take my coat off. I think what I find my character wearing is generous: do you always have matches in your pocket, even when you're, say, driving? I sure don't. Sure, if I'm backpacking I'm always prepared, but not during my everyday job.

but being in a plane is different if i was a bush pilot i would have had my backpack filled with stuff next to me which include a customized hatchet , about 600 matches, sewing/sowing (i dont know) kit , multitool, about 200 feet of rope, my makeshift fishing line, 2 medkits (1 big, 1 small), 2 firestrikers, 2 compasses, 1 whistle, 1 signaling mirror, and much more stuff and it is a little heavy but not really and im using what technically is a school bag also did i mention im only 12 yea might sound crazy but im not lying but still if i was "that" bush pilot i would be way more prepared i carry my backpack with me everywhere including stores and stuff but i always leave it inside the car i am like prepared for anything .!!!

danicusrex · August 14, 2015

but being in a plane is different if i was a bush pilot i would have had my backpack filled with stuff next to me which include a customized hatchet , about 600 matches, sewing/sowing (i dont know) kit , multitool, about 200 feet of rope, my makeshift fishing line, 2 medkits (1 big, 1 small), 2 firestrikers, 2 compasses, 1 whistle, 1 signaling mirror, and much more stuff and it is a little heavy but not really and im using what technically is a school bag also did i mention im only 12 yea might sound crazy but im not lying but still if i was "that" bush pilot i would be way more prepared i carry my backpack with me everywhere including stores and stuff but i always leave it inside the car i am like prepared for anything .!!!

You sound like a kid with a good head on their shoulders. I keep survival gear with me too, and I have ever since I was a little younger than you are. Even if it doesn't come in handy the way you think it will, you'd be surprised how often you can find that stuff useful in day-to-day situations.

Multitools are the greatest.

chanster115 · August 16, 2015

big +1 too that

Gaboris · August 16, 2015

+1 Captain immersion AWAY!

I actually didn't think much about our plane while playing. I always had the same idea as most of the others that we crashed at a far away location and we just started hiking to find a safe place, but even then our general gear doesn't make much sense.

So right now I'm more with the people who say that we WERE well prepared, but when the plane crashed we fell out before we could grab our gear and we had to scavenge the leftovers from the fire/crash/whatever that destroyed our pride and joy survival kit.

So yeah IF it can be done without unreasonable amounts of work then a dynamically appearing plane would be SWEET, but if we at least get a story explanation saying "I've been hiking for days with barely any of my gear left from the crash." then that's nice as well.

jackattack · August 16, 2015

Without knowing the backstory, we can only speculate.

Given the volatile weather and general inability to navigate, I assume that the character only took the plane up because he was desperate, having used up all the resources wherever he was before.

Farmerbob · August 17, 2015

Well, we don't know the whole back story. Perhaps the pilot had passengers. Perhaps they set the plane down in one piece, and trekked back to the nearest town.

When they got to that town, maybe they were robbed by human survivors who knew what was happening across the world because they had a short wave radio. The town turned the pilot and passengers away after robbing them. They have to make their own way south to survive.

The passengers gang up on the pilot and take all the remaining decent gear, but are at least nice enough to give him/her a chance to survive.

This could all be done with a cutscene before we pan out and start playing the game.

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