fearofspam Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) What is actually included in this first installment of TFTFT? I cannot find a roadmap on the roadmap page. No where does it say which new features are included with this installment or how the new features are going to be spread over the other 5 installments. Is the only new feature with this first installment the does and the new region? I can't find acorns or cougars or ptarmigan. I see no way to do any enhanced cooking... Does anyone have an idea what we actually paid for? Edited December 23, 2022 by fearofspam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBondReturns Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 hours ago, fearofspam said: What is actually included in this first installment of TFTFT? I cannot find a roadmap on the roadmap page. No where does it say which new features are included with this installment or how the new features are going to be spread over the other 5 installments. Is the only new feature with this first installment the does and the new region? I can't find acorns or cougars or ptarmigan. I see no way to do any enhanced cooking... Does anyone have an idea what we actually paid for? We paid for a Year's worth of Updates. What we got in the first drop was: New Travel Region New Hub Region (Transfer Pass) Forsaken Airfield Region 10 minutes of Survival Music Glimmer Fog Insomnia (Affliction) Doe 5 Variants (3 Rifles, 1 Lantern, 1 Bow) Complete Loot Refresh. Player Spawn Refresh It was all listed, though not in the clearest way, in the Release Video. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearofspam Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 Thank you, this was not at all clear from the video or roadmap page. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hozz1235 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I do agree the roadmap should have this info. After much community feedback, HL did provide this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexilogo Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 IMO the expansion page should simply have a "complete" marker or a checkmark on what features are actually in TFTFT as of now, because I agree it is extremely confusing. Improvised Crampons and Doe are both in, but none of the other features in this screenshot are, and there is no distinguishment whatsoever. It's a really serious communication oversight and I hope it's resolved around the time of the next content patch for TFTFT. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBondReturns Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Oh...I did forget Improvised Crampons have been added! I knew there was at least one thing I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfuegemann Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Also important things like the deactivated bunker spawns should be mentioned, just to save the players from running around and getting frustrated. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBar Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) I'm really more suprised every day seeing how people playing this game are unable to cope with frustration and joy of self-discovery (that are core values in game...) 🤔 We paid for a year of updates. They will come when they will come. In the meantime, play, discover, just like before. And enjoy it. Would it really be more enjoyable to you if HL told "we added a cougar in Forlorn muskeg, next to the exit to Mountain town" ? Edited December 25, 2022 by JoeBar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acada Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 @JoeBarI hear you. The thing I really want ro know exactly is addition of things which could kill my character. Although walking few first days looking over shoulder for cougars was good as well. Now I know, so no looking for feline friendly hug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semple Fi Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 10:34 PM, fearofspam said: What is actually included in this first installment of TFTFT? I cannot find a roadmap on the roadmap page. that’s the problem with maps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semple Fi Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 On 12/25/2022 at 5:59 AM, JoeBar said: I'm really more suprised every day seeing how people playing this game are unable to cope with frustration and joy of self-discovery (that are core values in game...) 🤔 We paid for a year of updates. They will come when they will come. In the meantime, play, discover, just like before. And enjoy it. Would it really be more enjoyable to you if HL told "we added a cougar in Forlorn muskeg, next to the exit to Mountain town" ? It’s almost 2023 Sir, self discovery is a thing of the past for boomers and such. Now give me my McDonald’s menu and order for me! 🤣🙂😉🙃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeanda Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 No matter what we're told beforehand this game still frustrates me and after three years I'm still discovering something new on a regular basis.. that's all part of the fun.🙂 Can I have fries and a shake?😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semple Fi Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, Leeanda said: No matter what we're told beforehand this game still frustrates me and after three years I'm still discovering something new on a regular basis.. that's all part of the fun.🙂 Can I have fries and a shake?😁 Would you like to extra biggie size that? 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeanda Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Semple Fi said: Would you like to extra biggie size that? 😂 It's been that long since I had a McDonald's anything ,so I'll have the biggest of both as a treat.🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBar Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Wait... do you mean this is a game for boomers and such ? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeanda Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 I'm not quite that old yet,even if I feel it sometimes 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hozz1235 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 On 12/25/2022 at 3:59 AM, JoeBar said: In the meantime, play, discover, just like before. Using the missing bunkers as an example - so you're okay with players spending days (if not weeks), pulling their hair out looking for a bunker that doesn't exist? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBar Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, hozz1235 said: Using the missing bunkers as an example - so you're okay with players spending days (if not weeks), pulling their hair out looking for a bunker that doesn't exist? Yes. The premise was that world has changed. I'm even a bit annoyed when I still found things where they used to be. This has even a name : replayability. For example, I'm not a fan of "guaranteed matches spawn" in Interloper. I would prefer that there would be matches (guaranteed) in a defined perimeter around your spawn. Edited December 27, 2022 by JoeBar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hozz1235 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, JoeBar said: Yes. The premise was that world has changed. I'm even a bit annoyed when I still found things where they used to be. This has even a name : replayability. For example, I'm not a fan of "guaranteed matches spawn" in Interloper. I would prefer that there would be matches (guaranteed) in a defined perimeter around your spawn. Okay, I'm with ya, but if you are going to change a game mechanic which has been in the game for years, they need to inform the players some way. Can you imagine the support tickets they would get if they just randomly removed things from the game? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semple Fi Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 11 hours ago, JoeBar said: Wait... do you mean this is a game for boomers and such ? 🤔 You know, perhaps it’s more appropriate for *this* generation… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hozz1235 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 51 minutes ago, Semple Fi said: You know, perhaps it’s more appropriate for *this* generation… Eat...my...shorts... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotunheim Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 On 12/26/2022 at 11:53 PM, Semple Fi said: that’s the problem with maps Honestly, if you got four inches, and a healthy promise of growth for $20....that's a lot of hope for $20. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semple Fi Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Jotunheim said: Honestly, if you got four inches, and a healthy promise of growth for $20....that's a lot of hope for $20. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBar Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 13 hours ago, hozz1235 said: Okay, I'm with ya, but if you are going to change a game mechanic which has been in the game for years, they need to inform the players some way. Can you imagine the support tickets they would get if they just randomly removed things from the game? Let's get serious for a minute... - if tomorrow, you find a cougar, would you file a support ticket about it ? No, you'll post a screenshot here. - if after 2 weeks of research, you don't find a cougar, would you file a support ticket ? No, because you can't say "I searched absolutely everywhere, and I'm 100% sure the cougar is missing" - if you find a traditional "guaranteed spawn" is missing, would you file a support ticket ? If yes, you should learn to read, because it was announced from the beginning that there would be a refresh of the loot tables (oh, and they also announced big changes to gae mechanics). - if tomorrow, you find a flying pink cougar making boat noises and fireworks (like, a 75 years old cougar from Las Vegas), would you file a support ticket ? 🤔 You seem to want Hinterland to release an update of a discovery game, and at the same time document all that's new. Why not asking directly for the complete full-spoiler map ? Or maybe an in-game 30-seconds video showing the cougar when he's around ? Or... oh, wait : a big red arrow above the cougar, with a tutorial "how to kill the cougar" ? And small notes like "there used to be matches here, but they are gone ; you should check in moutaineer's hut instead" ? Adding a cougar is not a change to the "game mechanics", neither is refreshing the loot tables. Knowing the loot tables by heart is not a part of game mechanics, it's a hack. The whole purpose of the game is that you don't know where to find what. If you already know where everything is from day 1, where's the plaesure of playing ? Where is the immersion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hozz1235 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, JoeBar said: Let's get serious for a minute... - if tomorrow, you find a cougar, would you file a support ticket about it ? No, you'll post a screenshot here. - if after 2 weeks of research, you don't find a cougar, would you file a support ticket ? No, because you can't say "I searched absolutely everywhere, and I'm 100% sure the cougar is missing" - if you find a traditional "guaranteed spawn" is missing, would you file a support ticket ? If yes, you should learn to read, because it was announced from the beginning that there would be a refresh of the loot tables (oh, and they also announced big changes to gae mechanics). - if tomorrow, you find a flying pink cougar making boat noises and fireworks (like, a 75 years old cougar from Las Vegas), would you file a support ticket ? 🤔 You seem to want Hinterland to release an update of a discovery game, and at the same time document all that's new. Why not asking directly for the complete full-spoiler map ? Or maybe an in-game 30-seconds video showing the cougar when he's around ? Or... oh, wait : a big red arrow above the cougar, with a tutorial "how to kill the cougar" ? And small notes like "there used to be matches here, but they are gone ; you should check in moutaineer's hut instead" ? Adding a cougar is not a change to the "game mechanics", neither is refreshing the loot tables. Knowing the loot tables by heart is not a part of game mechanics, it's a hack. The whole purpose of the game is that you don't know where to find what. If you already know where everything is from day 1, where's the plaesure of playing ? Where is the immersion ? Not sure how that wasn't a serious, very real situation. You didn't address my question. You keep using the word Discovery. Like I said, I'm with you on that. If you don't want to know what they're releasing, don't read it! For the majority of players (according to feedback), they do. Now on to my question about the bunkers. Quote but if you are going to change a game mechanic which has been in the game for years, they need to inform the players some way. Can you imagine the support tickets they would get if they just randomly removed things from the game? Edited December 28, 2022 by hozz1235 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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