Rifles in Survivor Mode

[Mocha]

I think I found them all (8), but I'm not positive.  I wonder why there were so many in the latest version of Survival Mode?

[selfless]

They had to guarantee at least one spawns on every major map for some players who "just couldn't cope without one".  So there end up being a lot in all the big wide world.  I think you could get even more with some of the iterations in the loot generator.  I'd think at least twelve.  Maybe 15 tops...

[ChillPlayer]

There can be even more if you get the Hunting Bunker. But it doesn't matter how many Rilfes there are, the limiting factor are Bullets first and Cleaning Kits second, with the risk of jamming you want to keep your Rifle close to 100% condition all the time. If you stick to one single Rifle or keep 8 lying around is all the same, you'll waste the same amount of bullets and Cleaning Kits, probably even more if you chose to keep multiple Rifles in good condition.

 

[Mroz4k]

4 hours ago, selfless said:

They had to guarantee at least one spawns on every major map for some players who "just couldn't cope without one".

Incorrect, as there are no guarantees for rifles in the spawns, but due to the fact there are many spawns for rifles in the game, you can usually find at least one per region. But it is not guaranteed.

The only rifle in the game that I can say for sure is guaranteed is the rifle in a box on TWM. But if you got extremely unlucky, that may be the only rifle you will ever find.

I usually find at least 6 rifles per world spawn, but I have seen as much as 12 before.

[cekivi]

8 hours ago, Mroz4k said:

Incorrect, as there are no guarantees for rifles in the spawns, but due to the fact there are many spawns for rifles in the game, you can usually find at least one per region. But it is not guaranteed.

The rifle spawns are dependent on experience mode. For voyager and pilgrim I cannot recall any maps without a rifle. Stalker is more variable and for interloper they are, of course, nonexistent. 

[Mroz4k]

1 hour ago, cekivi said:

The rifle spawns are dependent on experience mode. For voyager and pilgrim I cannot recall any maps without a rifle. Stalker is more variable and for interloper they are, of course, nonexistent. 

I have seen games where on Voyager, there was no rifle in Mystery Lake, or Coastal highway, or Desolation point. But perhaps that was cause of the earlier game versions.

[ChillPlayer]

22 minutes ago, Mroz4k said:

I have seen games where on Voyager, there was no rifle in Mystery Lake, or Coastal highway, or Desolation point. But perhaps that was cause of the earlier game versions.

ML without a rifle? It's hard to imagine or it was maybe indeed one of the first versions. But I thought because we needed a way to deal with Fluffy there was always a Rifle somewhere in ML - and when all odds were against you it was inside the Dam

CH and DP though I am not sure, CH has some remote spawn points for Rifles and I never bothered looking for one in DP.

[Mroz4k]

It was not only the crazy-old versions, but I do remember the crazy old version where rifle was the only weapon in the game spawned without the rifle anywhere. It was possible to happen, but unlikely. Imagine looting the entire ML which was the only region at the time and not finding a single weapon anywhere, just bullets without a rifle. Such a bummer.

But I have seen ML without a rifle even during resolute outfitter update. However, each time there was a region without a rifle, you would generally find one in the neighbouring region, so it was not that bad.

[starfighter441]

I pretty much only play pilgrim and voyager, and have always eventually found a rifle on every map, occasionally 2 or three. even without the hunting bunker spawning.  I don't even bother carrying a rifle into a new map now, just deposit it in the nearest building or mine when I leave an area and carry 10 rounds or so with me.  Right now my character is on TWM and her nearest rifle is at the farmhouse in PV, ammo in the bunker just before the transition to TWM.  I've gotten good enough with the bow that I don't really miss it.

[selfless]

@Mroz4k A rifle can (and apparently does) exist regardless of whether or not you find it.  Just 'cuz you didn't see one doesn't mean it wasn't there.  

The code forces them to be there.  Perhaps well hidden, but there nonetheless.  Guarantees of at least one rifle spawning on each major sandbox map was implemented all the way back in 2014.  Happy Burgling.

[Mroz4k]

8 hours ago, selfless said:

@Mroz4k A rifle can (and apparently does) exist regardless of whether or not you find it.  Just 'cuz you didn't see one doesn't mean it wasn't there.  

The code forces them to be there.  Perhaps well hidden, but there nonetheless.  Guarantees of at least one rifle spawning on each major sandbox map was implemented all the way back in 2014.  Happy Burgling.

You had me until you said it was implemented all the way back in 2014. Because if you do a little bit of research online you can see people writing on Steam in 2015 how they did not find a rifle in the ML. Of course, it could be that people didn't actually look well and missed it, but not that many people, I think - besides I have a personal experience when the rifles did not spawn in individual regions. It does happen, but not too often. And if you don't find a rifle in one location, you will likely find it in the next one. But it is not a guaranteed find, or rather at least it didn't use to be.

[Salty Crackers]

I'm pretty sure Hibernia is also a guaranteed spawn.

[Simone Else]

1 hour ago, Salty Crackers said:

I'm pretty sure Hibernia is also a guaranteed spawn.

nope.  i thought so too untill i was counting on one being there, and it wasnt.

 but there was one in the cave where scruffy sometimes is,  so i still got one but i gambled and lost with hibernia.

 

 

[ChillPlayer]

16 hours ago, Mroz4k said:

You had me until you said it was implemented all the way back in 2014. Because if you do a little bit of research online you can see people writing on Steam in 2015 how they did not find a rifle in the ML.

My guess is that those people were complaining that they didn't find a Rifle outside of the Dam - this could happen - but there was always a Rifle in ML.

[Mroz4k]

3 hours ago, ChillPlayer said:

My guess is that those people were complaining that they didn't find a Rifle outside of the Dam - this could happen - but there was always a Rifle in ML.

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No, there was not. I personally remember a game when I had no rifle in the whole ML. (that includes no rifle in the Dam, either, on neither of the places where it occasionally spawns) (and I am damn sure I checked all the places where it can spawn thoroughly - when rifle is the only weapon you can get your game kind of depends on it). This was back when it was the only weapon in the game. There are no guaranteed spawns per region, that's a lie. But simply the rifle is not that uncommon thing to find, so in average you will find at least one or two per region. At least it seems so right now since the Cartographer. In Resolute Outfitter, the rifles were not that common - I remember finding only three per the whole world, that was all the regions minus the Forlorn Muskeg and BR.

But to my knowledge, there is no set 100% chance of at least 1 rifle spawning in each region unless it was added in the recent updates, like with Cartographer. Which is strange as devs said there were no changes to loots in Cartographer, but I distinctly remember that Resolute Outfitter was much more rich on general loot, but rifles were rarer. 

Later, in a game when there were three regions already (ML, CH, PV) I once again did not find a rifle anywhere in the ML, so I chose to venture into the CH and managed to find one on a corpse soon after entering the region.

The conclusion I draw from that - all loot is randomized, and there are no exceptions, not even for rifles. And the recent thread on Guns, Guns. Guns! seems to support my theory here, since some people claim they never found more than one per the whole world, and some claim to have found up to three. 

[selfless]

Not to prove anything, just for fun, I went out scavenging.  Here's what I found (stalker, sandbox, v1.15, TWM start):

I was just looking for rifles, but still picked up 113 rounds of ammo.  Never did clean any of them, but did put a few rounds though to clear out wolves.  Hopefully you find there is plenty of iron out there.  Did find at least 1 per region, but I didn't check every square inch.  Gave up searching on both Forlorn Muskeg and Broken Railroad after finding just one 'cuz I was getting bored.  Other maps were searched fairly thorough but I don't discount having missed one or two.  No rifles in  any Prepper Caches.  No Mods.  Traveled from TWM to DP, then to BR.  I dare anyone to search as well as I did and find fewer 

P.S. Lugging an extra 32kg around for no good reason does not make this game any funner.

[cekivi]

Must have made an interesting sight with that many rifle barrels sticking out of your bag. 

[Mroz4k]

23 hours ago, cekivi said:

Must have made an interesting sight with that many rifle barrels sticking out of your bag.