Bears can get you

[jumpingbean77]

Hello all, 

I play on stalker easy and have previously discussed here on the forum that stalker is way to easy. I think this is still is so, hence I push my self to make the game more interesting.

Example, I went out today and explored until I was freezing with somewhat bad weather. After that I also harvested a deer in the end, against "safe play style".

the weather turns foggy so Its harder to find the way back. On the way I first kill a wolf, and then bump in to a bear and must back off and circle, at that time a wolf starts barking and I fire a round to scare the both of. I must sadly go somewhat paralell to the bears path, but I think its good enough space to avoid him.  I am then close to the barn (safe haven) and then the bears suddenly jumps me, don't even have time to fire a round. I have 7% left, patch my self up and inject a needle. Then I hear another wolf barking and fire another round, upon the bear comes running and jumps me again... with 2% life left I am gone into the long dark.

I must notice that animals has gotten harder. Wwolfs  has definitely longer detection range

 Is the bears behavior typical, do they attack you even if the round is not aimed against them?

Do you have similar game style, avoiding safe bets to make the game interesting?

 

[ShawnB]

Oh ya, I've tried lots of self imposed challenges. Try the hunted challenge and survive as long as you can. Try to survive without going inside...ever, or by living off harvested food only or by not using the rifle, or by going out only at night. Try to see how fast you can discover all the locations in all regions. I always start a new game  when I do this, not piggy back on another.

[Dirmagnos]

2 be completely honest i find wildlife to be actually easier, a lot. Wolf behavior is so erratic that i get funny moment after funny moment.

Like being chased by a wolf, turn around, pull out my gun... just for wolf to whelp, turn and run away when hes like 3 meters from me. I havent even had time to aim. Even had wolf doing same running away stunt without me holding anything, i just turned around to have some face-to-face, and that mfker just runs away.

2 days ago i had already completely ridiculous encounter. I was traveling light, transferring my stuff to a new location. It was a bit foggy, and i managed to somehow walk into a wolf(there was no indication that he was behind that log, no sounds no nothing), like dead on, 2 meter distance. As he started to growl, i did what i do always, turn around and pedal it(on Stalker wolves are literally everywhere, fighting with them all is just unrealistic, not to mention pointless), just to run into another wolf, with exactly same situation, maybe 15m away from first encounter; now i made only about 90 degrees turn, and leg it again... yep, third wolf. Essentially i had only one way to go left. Long story short, while all those idiots were growling, i managed to run away from near nose-to-nose encounter with 3 different wolves in span of maybe 20 seconds.

Ohh, and in addition to that, if player is light enough(id say below 10kg weight), then he actually runs faster than wolf, lol. Be4 i couldnt run away if wolf was locked on me, it always ended one way, me killing poor schmuck. Now i apparently can.

Also, bears, with their perceptual damage is completely idiotic feature. They should deal huge fixed damage(id go with flat 60/75/90 condition damage depending on difficulty), not this shit, when it can do both 90% and 1% damage, but it cant actually kill player.

[TLD Survivalist]

The bears are capable of occasionally only dealing 1% condition damage?? Cant say I have honestly EVER experienced such an occurance... And Ive also died via bear attack. So im not sure what you mean when you say they cant actually kill you, cause they can.

[jumpingbean77]

On the encounter above I had roughly 7% after the first attack. It got down a bit more until I patched up. The stim took it up to 14% I think. When the second bear attack came, I was left with 2% -> It only took 12%. If it can be as low as 1%, I don't know. But it looks like the game is set on that a beer should not kill you directly, only via blod loss.

[TLD Survivalist]

Thats weird cause one of my death texts said died from shock and bloodloss via bear attack

 

That and anytime I've had any less than 40% to 50% and gotten attacked by a bear... Ive died

[Dirmagnos]

As far as im aware bear attack deals damage that equals 90% of your current condition, so maybe if youre as low as 2% prior to attack then he may kill you, but mostly players die due to post-bear attack damage and not enough time to patch oneself up. And since bear usually also trash your clothes, then you start to freeze fast.

[TLD Survivalist]

True... I guess that makes sense Ive just never lived through two consecutive bear attacks

[Ruruwawa]

On 7/2/2016 at 0:59 PM, ShawnB said:

Oh ya, I've tried lots of self imposed challenges. Try the hunted challenge and survive as long as you can. Try to survive without going inside...ever, or by living off harvested food only or by not using the rifle, or by going out only at night. Try to see how fast you can discover all the locations in all regions. I always start a new game  when I do this, not piggy back on another.

Hey Shawn, you mentioned the 0 hours indoors challenge on another thread, and I realized I don't know what the game considers to be indoors.  Does that mean you can't travel to another map that is separated by a cave or mine?  Or to the summit in TWM, since the first trip requires a trek through a loading-screen cave?  Sounds like an interesting challenge.

[ShawnB]

Ya tones of fun. So cars and fishing huts are considered outside. Caves of all types are considered inside and all buildings (except those partially destroyed) So far I have survived 30 days and still have 0 hours inside. I have entered buildings to drop hides and guts to cure and ran through the CH-PV cave. 

Oddly enough I only built 1 shelter. Cloth is too precious in this challenge and you need to stay mobile at the start. A bear also mauled me while I was sleeping in the shelter, which was a huge bummer.

On my way to TWM summit now to get some rifle rounds and munchies.

Clothing is a huge issue. I think I only had 4 clothing items for several days because everything else wore out. I was running around picking up sticks all day like a mad man without pants and shoes, haha. 

[Patrick Carlson]

On 7/2/2016 at 11:47 AM, jumpingbean77 said:

Hello all, 

I play on stalker easy and have previously discussed here on the forum that stalker is way to easy. I think this is still is so, hence I push my self to make the game more interesting.

Example, I went out today and explored until I was freezing with somewhat bad weather. After that I also harvested a deer in the end, against "safe play style".

the weather turns foggy so Its harder to find the way back. On the way I first kill a wolf, and then bump in to a bear and must back off and circle, at that time a wolf starts barking and I fire a round to scare the both of. I must sadly go somewhat paralell to the bears path, but I think its good enough space to avoid him.  I am then close to the barn (safe haven) and then the bears suddenly jumps me, don't even have time to fire a round. I have 7% left, patch my self up and inject a needle. Then I hear another wolf barking and fire another round, upon the bear comes running and jumps me again... with 2% life left I am gone into the long dark.

I must notice that animals has gotten harder. Wwolfs  has definitely longer detection range

 Is the bears behavior typical, do they attack you even if the round is not aimed against them?

Do you have similar game style, avoiding safe bets to make the game interesting?

 

Most likely they bear took an interest in you simply because you were nearby. Right now the only way to fend off a bear if it is close and charging is a shot from the Distress Pistol. You can hit it with the rifle and make it bleed, but you'll still have to deal with the mauling itself. 

[Ruruwawa]

2 hours ago, ShawnB said:

Ya tones of fun. So cars and fishing huts are considered outside. Caves of all types are considered inside and all buildings (except those partially destroyed) So far I have survived 30 days and still have 0 hours inside. I have entered buildings to drop hides and guts to cure and ran through the CH-PV cave. 

Oddly enough I only built 1 shelter. Cloth is too precious in this challenge and you need to stay mobile at the start. A bear also mauled me while I was sleeping in the shelter, which was a huge bummer.

On my way to TWM summit now to get some rifle rounds and munchies.

Clothing is a huge issue. I think I only had 4 clothing items for several days because everything else wore out. I was running around picking up sticks all day like a mad man without pants and shoes, haha. 

I'm already trying this, Day 4.  It's fun!

Clothing is indeed the issue.   I started on ML and got lucky with two cloth inthe  fishing huts then tore up my hat to make a snow shelter.  Been pumping the sticks into it often to make those 3 precious pieces of cloth last!   I also found a rifle and 5 bullets, a bow and one arrow (yay!).  Two fishing lines and ZERO hooks (boo!).   Dear lord, I'll have to go to CH just to make hooks.  BTW the front cold part of the bigger outdoor caves doesn't count as indoors.  I've been walking up to the divide to drop my cure items into the warm part.

[ShawnB]

Nice, good luck @Ruruwawa let me know how things are going for you later. Every decision is so critical when you are trying this. I am curious how your early game shelter build will go for you. I started in ML too and was tempted to build a shelter but went straight to the CH workbench, looting everything I could on the way. My next big decision was to either push to TWM summit or craft some gear. My pant-less, barefoot survivor just barely manged to stitch stuff together in time.

Oh ya i forgot, there are a few named caves and several un-named caves that are great places to set up camp in most regions. It is the cookie-cutter hole in the side of the mountain that are considered inside or any place that requires the area to be loaded.

[Ruruwawa]

For the big "cookie cutter" caves that go back into the mountain, only the back warm half is considered indoors.  ( I spent an hour there to test, and it counted as an hour indoors in my log.)  It's easy to tell, just watch your Feels Like.  If it's outdoor temp, less windchill, you are outside.  The warm back is +7C warmer than the front. 

Re caves in general, I think I've stayed in almost every one on every map.   I did about 170 days of cave dwelling accross a couple playthroughs.