Protein poisoning and Frost bite.

[UndeadSnake]

Ok so I lost my shoes in game and went looking for more. After awhile I forgot I didn't have any on. Even after walking on a frozen lake nothing happened to my feet. Surely I would've gotten frost bite. So how about adding Frost bite to hands and feet for not have anything on them for a few hours in too cold of weather?   Rabbits don't have much in the way of body fat. Eating large amounts of protein and not enough fat to break down the protein and you can get protein poisoning. Protein poisoning give you really bad diarrhea which drains the body of water.

[hauteecolerider]

Walking around barefoot makes you cold faster. 

Guess that'll have to do in place of Frostbite for the time being.

As I understand from the roadmap, Frostbite is on the way.

[Dirmagnos]

Heat loss is generally addressed in rather idiotic way(im sorry devs, but its true), player can run around literally naked for an hour... in a snow... at -20C without much problems or consequences.

[CarolinaSantAngelo]

On 23/4/2016 at 2:48 PM, Dirmagnos said:

Heat loss is generally addressed in rather idiotic way(im sorry devs, but its true), player can run around literally naked for an hour... in a snow... at -20C without much problems or consequences.

The fact that we can undress to go fight wolves in -20C temperatures and still live through it it's pretty telling. It's true that we shouldn't be able to do that without consequences. I would hope the frostbite in the roadmap will be one of them. 

[Loppysaurusrex]

On 4/23/2016 at 0:48 PM, Dirmagnos said:

Heat loss is generally addressed in rather idiotic way(im sorry devs, but its true), player can run around literally naked for an hour... in a snow... at -20C without much problems or consequences.

Maybe you're just not man enough to show mother nature that you don't play by her rules!

[Dirmagnos]

3 hours ago, Loppysaurusrex said:

Maybe you're just not man enough to show mother nature that you don't play by her rules!

You cant cheat nature, at least not on this playing field.

I once fell off balcony, second floor(dont ask me why, how or wth i was doing there), in my underwear. During winter, Luckily there were plenty of snow. it was around -10. It took me about 20 minutes of failed attempts to get back up there to swallow(or maybe it just froze and fell of on its own)my pride and go knocking on neighbors door so that they would let me in. I was turning blue by then and couldnt feel my feet or hands. An hour outside would probably killed me.

[garrettkteo]

On 4/23/2016 at 8:26 PM, UndeadSnake said:

Rabbits don't have much in the way of body fat. Eating large amounts of protein and not enough fat to break down the protein and you can get protein poisoning. Protein poisoning give you really bad diarrhea which drains the body of water.

I've heard of this as "rabbit starvation". Apparently rabbit meat lacks so much nutrients needed for humans that a diet composed completely of it can allow someone to die in a survival situation. It was briefly mentioned in one of my survival books. It would be a bizarre yet true-to-life aspect to add to the game.

[Wastelander]

Frostbite, which is on the roadmap, would definitely be a worthwhile addition, although it does come with some implications - frostbite is the first step to a limb or digit freezing off. Would this imply permanent damage, perhaps even requiring amputation? Permanent speed-debuffs if you lose toes? This needs to be carefully thought through, both for the sake of realism and the games rating.

Considering protein poisoning, yeah, that's a cool idea just to force the player to explore alternative food sources, but for this to be feasible the alternative food sources need to be present first, and I guess that only really becomes doable once seasons (the though of which gives me warm, fuzzy feelings in my heart!) are added.

[Boston123]

23 hours ago, garrettkteo said:

I've heard of this as "rabbit starvation". Apparently rabbit meat lacks so much nutrients needed for humans that a diet composed completely of it can allow someone to die in a survival situation. It was briefly mentioned in one of my survival books. It would be a bizarre yet true-to-life aspect to add to the game.

It doesn't lack nutrients, it lacks fat. You need a steady amount of fat in order to metabolize protein.

Also of note: you can develop "rabbit starvation" when eating large-game meat as well, it is just more difficult. Rabbit (and other small game) tends to have small (relative to body size/meat amount) amounts of fat, and that fat that is present tends to be separate from the meat. Large game animals tend to have more fat, and they also tend to have fat "marbled" throughout the muscles.

This is why you want to use cooking methods that result in as little fat loss as possible, and make the best-possible use of the fat that is there. I prefer making soups and stews using every part of the animal that I can; meat, fat, blood, bones and bone marrow, organs, etc. Whatever fat gets lost from the meat when making soup/stew just goes into the broth anyways, which you drink.

Frying/roasting, which is what we do in The Long Dark, is by far the least effective method of wilderness cooking.

[garrettkteo]

20 hours ago, Boston123 said:

It doesn't lack nutrients, it lacks fat. You need a steady amount of fat in order to metabolize protein.

Thanks for clearing that up. I should've simply checked my source again, it's been years since I read that.

[Dirmagnos]

Are we talking mutants now ? Needing fat to metabolize proteins ?!?!