Make bear attack skipable.

[StringEpsilon]

I am on my second try on the bear challenge and it highlights something that irked me before: The bear encounter plays for way to long without any interaction and it's boring after watching it the first couple of time. It's awesome and terrifying, but if you been through a handful of attacks already, you just sit there and wait for you to finally play again (or die).

[Dirmagnos]

One does not simply skip a bear.

In all my playthrus i got "hugged" by bear maybe a handful of times, so i dont really see a problem. If it becomes an issue, then you probably do something wrong.

[KD7BCH]

LOL

4 hours ago, Dirmagnos said:

One does not simply skip a bear.

In all my playthrus i got "hugged" by bear maybe a handful of times, so i dont really see a problem. If it becomes an issue, then you probably do something wrong.

 

[Pillock]

19 hours ago, Dirmagnos said:

In all my playthrus i got "hugged" by bear maybe a handful of times, so i dont really see a problem. If it becomes an issue, then you probably do something wrong.

In my last attempt at the Challenge mode, I got hugged 4 times in the same game! I was only alive about 3 days. I think I probably am doing something wrong...

But yeah, I can see the point here: it is a little long, and it is the same every time. This is nit-picking to an incredible degree, though!

[Dirmagnos]

53 minutes ago, Pillock said:

In my last attempt at the Challenge mode, I got hugged 4 times in the same game! I was only alive about 3 days. I think I probably am doing something wrong...

But yeah, I can see the point here: it is a little long, and it is the same every time. This is nit-picking to an incredible degree, though!

Ahh, yes, Challenges, see your point. I generally despise maps/modes/games, where you have to run somewhere or from some1, or have timer, or anything like that as main feature, so that new feature went right past me. Zero interest.

In that challenge, in such short period, it probably can get extremely annoying. Altho if bear is actively chasing you, once he catches you, that should be it, not a bit of mauling and there we go again.

[Pillock]

1 minute ago, Dirmagnos said:

 if bear is actively chasing you, once he catches you, that should be it, not a bit of mauling and there we go again.

Yeah, that's what I would have thought. But one time he caught me on 35% condition, mauled me down to 3% and then buggered off into the mist. I was rather surprised.

[Gleudal]

7 hours ago, Pillock said:

Yeah, that's what I would have thought. But one time he caught me on 35% condition, mauled me down to 3% and then buggered off into the mist. I was rather surprised.

Cuz afaik the bear deals always 90% damage on your current hp.

[cekivi]

On 2016-04-24 at 6:10 PM, Gleudal said:

Cuz afaik the bear deals always 90% damage on your current hp.

Huh. I would have figured it'd be more punishing given that this challenge is supposed to be about the bear trying to kill you...

[cekivi]

On topic, I don't think adding the option to skip the animation is a good idea. While multiple maulings may be annoying on the challenge maps it would a be a little jarring and "gamey" to have bear attack and immediately skip to standing with a massive condition loss. Just my thoughts.

[hauteecolerider]

There's this concept called aversion conditioning. And the animation of the bear attack is an excellent example of this. After you go through one or two of these bear maulings, would you want to make it easy for that bear to do it again? Or would you avoid said beast like the plague? I'd avoid him! I do - once I got that bear bedroll I didn't really need to shoot any more bears.

[Pillock]

On 4/26/2016 at 0:19 AM, cekivi said:

Huh. I would have figured it'd be more punishing given that this challenge is supposed to be about the bear trying to kill you...

It actually quite difficult to be killed directly by the Old Bear - mostly for this reason.

My Hunted games have ended with me freezing to death, being attacked by a wolf, falling off a cliff (don't try to climb down a rope with a burning brand in your hand), freezing to death again, starvation, and once from the bear.

The time he did get me was because he mauled me from 100% condition down to 9%, then walked away about 15 yards, then turned round and came back to finish me off, completely ignoring a flare shell whizzing past his left earhole.

[Dirmagnos]

On 4/27/2016 at 6:57 AM, hauteecolerider said:

There's this concept called aversion conditioning. And the animation of the bear attack is an excellent example of this. After you go through one or two of these bear maulings, would you want to make it easy for that bear to do it again? Or would you avoid said beast like the plague? I'd avoid him! I do - once I got that bear bedroll I didn't really need to shoot any more bears.

Your solution is to avoid bear because his annoying due to his animation being unskippable, not because hes semi-dangerous due to completely casual feature that prevents him from being real deadly threat ? Right now apex predator in the game is wolf, since bear apparently cant even kill player properly, lol.

Its one of those many smaller casual features that chip away, bit by bit, from overall survival experience. Worse, its all over the place, with some features being extremely over the top, while others being actually rather ridiculous. Even worse, half of exploits are based on the fact that maintaining condition is extremely simple since player can essentially regenerate severed limbs after just 8 hours of sleep, and instead of tweaking that part(actually completely ignoring it), we get nonsense like intestinal parasites that require a small pharmacy worth of pills to cure, wtf.

[Scyzara]

1 hour ago, Dirmagnos said:

Right now apex predator in the game is wolf, since bear apparently cant even kill player properly, lol.

The bears we currently have ingame are meant to be black bears, which are the most abundant, smallest and by far least violent kind of bears on the North American continent. TLD's bears are neither meant to impersonate European brown bears nor grizzlies nor polar bears, they're just (relatively harmless) black bears. And for black bears, it's absolutely typical not to kill people, even if someone is stupid enough to really provoke them, e.g. by throwing stones at them.

Real life black bears hardly ever kill humans. The chance to get killed by a dog, an elephant or even a coconut is far bigger.

If wild black bears encounter humans, they usually either turn tail or (if fleeing is impossible for some reason) perform a defensive attack like we currently see it ingame. They don't see humans primarily as prey or anything (unlike e.g. polar bears), hence they don't attack with the intention to kill. They only want to eliminate a threat and escape afterwards. As soon as you're lying mauled on the floor, most real life black bears will behave exactly as the ingame bears and just leave you be.

That's why there are so extremely few casualties due to black bear attacks (given the number of human-blackbear-encounters in comparison e.g. to the number of human-grizzly-encounters). I for one find TLD's black bear behavior quite appropriate and enjoyable, both realism- and gameplay-wise.

I guess grizzlies (which are already on the road map) will show a different behavior and kill you immediately.^^