Sleeping at any time

[ScaryNed]

My first post in the community. Love this game to bits. Reminds me of my time in Cub Scouts years ago. 

Whether I'm starting a butt naked challenge run or I'm 100 days into the game, I always find it frustrating and borderline on silly that, without a bed, I have no way to sleep.

Sometimes it's because I rushed out of a dangerous situation in my camping spot. Sometimes I strip completely naked at the start of TimberWolf Mountain and start skipping on my merry way. I will find situations where I don't have my bedroll with me when I really, really, really want to go to sleep.

I want the option to fall asleep on nothing! Even if it's knee deep in snow or just harsh concrete flooring, I may end up having no other option to sleep on it, if I even had that option in the first place. I will get negative penalties such as giving me a sever negative to warmth bonus, and waking up with a Stiff Back affliction, but at least he gets some form of rest. My character will moan about falling asleep right where he stands, yet that's exactly what I want him to do! No matter the consequences.

If my character complains about wanting to sleep on the floor, let him sleep on the cold uncomfortable floor. He's got human rights to do so!

Any thoughts on this? if this discussion has already been raised, let me know.

If this post is too long or too short or failing to meet rules I didn't notice in the Terms of Thingy, let me know as well.

[Ohbal]

Good point! I always double check that I have a sleeping bag with me at all times, since indeed finding yourself stranded without it could mean death. Is somewhat weird, as indeed I would rather sleep in a cold, humid cave floor than get my condition to drop due to lack of rest. 

[Vilespectre]

I definitely agree.

On a small number of occasions I have found myself breaking out a bedroll next to a car during a blizzard to sleep... which seemed a little silly. I even died from exhaustion following a wolf attack in Carter Dam (Fluffy brought me down to 5%, but I stopped the blood loss and then died from exhaustion trying to get back to my bedroll). Dying from exhaustion when I could have slept on the floor was a bit depressing . +1

[romerabr]

10 minutes ago, Vilespectre said:

I definitely agree.

On a small number of occasions I have found myself breaking out a bedroll next to a car during a blizzard to sleep... which seemed a little silly. I even died from exhaustion following a wolf attack in Carter Dam (Fluffy brought me down to 5%, but I stopped the blood loss and then died from exhaustion trying to get back to my bedroll). Dying from exhaustion when I could have slept on the floor was a bit depressing . +1

You can sleep inside a car, where you are protected from the wind.

[Ohbal]

13 hours ago, romerabr said:

You can sleep inside a car, where you are protected from the wind.

Yep, you just have to open the bedroll menu while inside the car, it'll let you sleep. 

[nicko]

I think the idea of sleeping on a frozen floor without a bedroll makes sense in early days (less clothing). you will freeze therefore pointless game simulation to build.

But since v3.02 we have more clothing options! Warm deer skin pants, deer skln boots, rabbit mittens, wolf coat, scarf and head wear. You should be able to survive many hours in this clothing, so why not let us sleep a few hours as well, without a bedroll? as long as you have all the clothing warm bonuses that are required

[Ohbal]

45 minutes ago, nicko said:

I think the idea of sleeping on a frozen floor without a bedroll makes sense in early days (less clothing). you will freeze therefore pointless game simulation to build.

But since v3.02 we have more clothing options! Warm deer skin pants, deer skln boots, rabbit mittens, wolf coat, scarf and head wear. You should be able to survive many hours in this clothing, so why not let us sleep a few hours as well, without a bedroll? as long as you have all the clothing warm bonuses that are required

Sleeping without a bedroll in the wild, even in full crafted clothes, you will have a high risk of freezing. The key element to survive this scenario is fire. The +5 warm bonus the bedroll provide is not near enough to provide safety on itself.

So better not mix up conceps here. The discussion is around if we could recover fatigue sleeping on the floor, and what kind of effect would that have to the rest itself, should it have afflictions like backpain? etc. OFC you will freeze if you are not careful, but that's part of the risk management: you are freaking tired, at risk of passing out, and you are far from any shelter. Should you push your luck and see if you make it, or should you find some place to build a fire and "rest" for a few hours? Maybe you make it to the shelter, maybe you don't. Maybe you build your fire, have a quick nap, and wake up in hypotermia since the wind swifted and your fire went off. 

[nicko]

yes, but I think sleeping 1-3 hours max should be allowed and you should not freeze if decent clothing worn. and this short sleep would update your sleep degradatiion factor. with or without fire (out of wind) else you just freeze and die.

[Ohbal]

Not sure if I get where you are going. Why should it be allowed if every game system is yelling you shouldn't do it? I'm all for sleeping anywhere, but the act of sleeping shouldn't protect you from anything. If you decide to have a nap, and the temperature is below 0, you should freeze

[nicko]

13 minutes ago, Ohbal said:

Not sure if I get where you are going. Why should it be allowed if every game system is yelling you shouldn't do it? I'm all for sleeping anywhere, but the act of sleeping shouldn't protect you from anything. If you decide to have a nap, and the temperature is below 0, you should freeze

lol not sure why you dont get it but imagine if you had the best clothing? your out and about in blizzard? you find a cliff face that protects you from the wind. You sit down/rest. So why not can you not sleep for say 1-3 hours max? atm you can't that is our my point. (unless you have the bedroll)

[Ohbal]

Oh my! Let's try again

Even with the best brand new crafted clothes, if you are out in a blizzard it can get below 0... even without the windchill. 

Yes, I'm saying you should be able to sleep, but if you do not take the necessary precautions (building a fire and take short naps to make sure the wind doesn't change direction, blowing it off) and the temperature when you go to sleep is below 0, you should freeze. 

In few words: the act of sleeping shouldn't stop you from freezing.

[nicko]

I thiink we are on same page just misunderstood. I'm saying why the fuck do we need a bedroll for a 1-3 hour nap (if best clothing) that I also suggested you dont need a fire?

 

 

[starfighter441]

I'm just trying to figure out why you would be running around on TWM butt naked...

[Salty Crackers]

Personally, I don't think we should be able to. It makes sense from a real-life perspective, but I feel it would devalue the bedroll. Why have a 1kg bedroll when you can sleep on the floor? 

[Vhalkyrie]

I think you should be able to, but it would barely restore any fatigue or condition at all.  I know there were times when I went camping with an inadequate sleeping bag pad, and felt every single jagged rock and pebble poking my back.  I wasn't rested at all, and made for a very miserable hike the following day.  There were also times when I was desperate enough for sleep that I managed to nod off in extremely uncomfortable places, like airport chairs.

[hauteecolerider]

14 hours ago, Vhalkyrie said:

I think you should be able to, but it would barely restore any fatigue or condition at all.  I know there were times when I went camping with an inadequate sleeping bag pad, and felt every single jagged rock and pebble poking my back.  I wasn't rested at all, and made for a very miserable hike the following day.  There were also times when I was desperate enough for sleep that I managed to nod off in extremely uncomfortable places, like airport chairs.

Then woke up feeling just as groggy and tired and actually more achy then when I nodded off . . .